Charlie Kirk shot

Oreo

You would know worriedwell if you bothered to read the thread.
growstuff you know that your posts were deleted as they were personal attacks on me, and absolutely nothing to do with left wing/ right wing nonsense.
I’m left wing, centre left but will always report any personal attacks.

If you read what I'd said you would see I didn't say I hadn't read the thread I said I didn't go back to see what had been deleted. You.see if you read the post before it's deleted and don't go back later you won't know it's been deleted. Not to let science if you think about it.

By the way your tone is very rude. Maybe I should ask for it to be deleted as it's misleading.

Exactly Oreo.
As foxie48 suggests, maybe Primrose can explain her post

Fortunately we can discuss politics until the cows come home and they will never be deleted.

I did go back to look because I couldn't think of any far left posts that would have been deleted. There were only the two by Growstuff, who is certainly not " far left". Not that it would matter as posts are deleted because they break the rules not for political reasons. PerhapsPrimrose can explain why she posted what she did, I was totally confused by her post as others seem to have been.

I didn’t see the posts.
My point was about the increasing use of terms like far left, and the implication that politics, rather than breach of guidelines led to deletions.

Phew

Of course, but we are going "off course" as regards the O/P.

You would know worriedwell if you bothered to read the thread.
growstuff you know that your posts were deleted as they were personal attacks on me, and absolutely nothing to do with left wing/ right wing nonsense.
I’m left wing, centre left but will always report any personal attacks.

Maybe. Obvioisly I don't know who has reported posts and I don't know what's been deleted as I haven't gone back and looked. Just a theory on how it could be.

I guess we will never know.

Oh more liberal then 🌞

Maybe there is difference in who reports posts? If Right wingers complain more then more left wing posts deleted. It could work like that.

I’m confused about who is very far left. I can only find growstuff has been deleted. Not someone I’d see as far left.

Also it’s important to remember deletions are not political. The mods won’t delete based on whatever politics are shown, we have free speech

Primrose53

I notice some of the very far left poster’s comments have been deleted. The mods are doing a good job.

Confused! I thought there was criticism of calling posters "far left" when they're not. The one who had her posts deleted certainly isn't far left.

Hmm! Something definitely "two tier" around here.

The NY times has the copy of the charges. I have not had time to read it, but wanted to post them for those who will be following the case. I didn't get a paywall when I opened it n

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/09/16/us/tyler-robinson-charges.html

Maybee70 I agree that there is way too much labelling going on these days i.e, far left for just left wing and far right for just right wing or Conservative!

Yes, these are polarising days, Maybee. When you get someone like Trump - and the literal madnesses of social media in the USA -

- where his lies stand unchallenged, where politics has turned into vicious verbal attacks....

... it's not surprising it turns into actual gun violence and deaths like this.

(yes, the shooter who just missed Trump also undoubtedly was made actually mad", shut away, a loner etc.)

On the issues of pleas of insanity the psychiatrists are looking for all the time or temporary psychosis.

Wyllow3

I don't think it's politics, Primrose, rather overstepping limits of how we address each other.

Some of us seem to have gone from ‘lefties’ to very far left. If we go much further left I fear we’ll fall off a political cliff .

Very sad about CK, even sadder for his family. What a waste of a life.

I don't think it's politics, Primrose, rather overstepping limits of how we address each other.

Primrose53

I notice some of the very far left poster’s comments have been deleted. The mods are doing a good job.

I haven't seen any far left comments at all. I have seen a lot of far right ones though.

Yes.

Yes, it seems as though the US and the UK align in the burden of proof of what is considered a mental defect (using legal terms). It is an uphill battle really. Which it should be or everyone will say they aren't in their right minds and walk away after committing heinous crimes such as this.

I really appreciate your information, imaround. You are drawing on information from all sources, which is wise.

Its clear to me he was very mentally disturbed generally in this period of his life leading up to the shooting.

This is what happens in the UK fyi imaround, I imagine there must be a similar plea in Utah.

(thanks to the AI mode)

"In the UK, a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity at the time of a murder is a rare defence that requires proving, at the time of the act, the defendant suffered from a "defect of reason" from a "disease of the mind", preventing them from understanding the nature and quality of their actions or that those actions were illegal. This defence is based on the M'Naghten Rules and must be clearly proved by the defendant, often with expert psychiatric evidence.

The suspect was registered to vote, however he had not registered for a specific political party. I am unsure of how Utah works for voter registration, because I do not live there. In my state, you can be registered to vote at the DMV when you renew your drivers license at 18. You do not have to pick a political party at that time, we are told you can go online and pick one of 3 parties (R, D or Unaffiliated). You must choose one of those 3 in order to be able to vote, however, and you do not have to vote for the party you are registered for.

It has been reported in the news that he was registered, but had never voted since turning 18. There was a man with the same name that lived in Utah that made a donation to Trump before the suspect was 18. So that isn't him.

Here is Utah's voter registration form for reference.

secure.utah.gov/voterreg/index.html

Confessing doesn't mean he wont see a jury though. Especially when the possible sentencing is so serious.

There is also the matter of, based on the Governors update last night, the confession going to a member of the clergy after his father contacted him. If that is the case, it could mean that the confession wont be admissible in court any how. Any defense attorney worth the money will attempt to have it thrown out of court if that is what happened.

If the suspect is not cooperating at this time, I cant imagine he is going to suddenly change his mind, enter a plea of guilty in the courts and accept the death penalty. But nothing is set in concrete.

In this case, there is little doubt that the man shot Kirk, so I expect a Not Guilty by Reason of Mental Defect plea, or whatever Utah's version of that defense is, but really who knows. After it was reported that he was chatting on Discord after the shooting (based on the article I posted last night), I think that is going to be a hard defense.

Hopefully he decides to accept responsibility for his violent choice and decides not to put Kirk's family through the pain of a trial. His wife and kids have been through enough.

Here is the Utah law on Death Penalty cases in case anyone wants to read it.

le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Chapter3/76-3-S207.html

Here is a brief overview of the Constitutionality of 8th Amendment Cases.

www.justia.com/constitutional-law/the-death-penalty-under-the-constitution/

The man who shot and wounded Trump was registered republican the only time they voted. I don't think we can always know why people shoot people. Often it is just the thought of fame or mental illness. Someone can be dedicated to a person or a cause until a switch flips somewhere in their heads.