Mainstream Labour

And absolutely nothing to do with Labour?

The point being that charisma doesn’t alone make for a decent, effective pm.

Iraq war, or not, Blairs administration did a lot of good things, particularly funding public services (though PFI was a massive mistake which this government, with typical idiocy, looks likely to repeat.

And Brown's government saved the banks after the GFC, without them a lot of ordinary people would have ended up losing their money. The country was coming out of the recession caused by the GFC when it voted the tories in, who plunged us straight back into recession with its unnecessary 'austerity'.

I think the Blair/Brown years were the best we've had in the last 45 years, even though they could have done much better. But that's what adhering to neoliberal economic policy does. It doesn't really do much to improve the underlying needs of the country.

Blair/Brown , won three general elections consecutively

But it did improve public services, education and the NHS.

Until the 2008 banking crash.

Labour also recognised that in order fix the result of the crash we needed to grow our way out of the problem through government investment in the economy, and indeed that is exactly what the Brown government began to do, but Cameron put an absolute stop to that and austerity for the less well off, but where wealth became concentrated at the top becoming the new reality, and the beginning of the discontent, which end result has been Brexit and populism, because absolutely nothing has been done to address the structural problems in the economy and society, and the discontent of the working classes and indeed the middle class whose salaries have stagnated for years.

MaizieD

Iraq war, or not, Blairs administration did a lot of good things, particularly funding public services (though PFI was a massive mistake which this government, with typical idiocy, looks likely to repeat.

And Brown's government saved the banks after the GFC, without them a lot of ordinary people would have ended up losing their money. The country was coming out of the recession caused by the GFC when it voted the tories in, who plunged us straight back into recession with its unnecessary 'austerity'.

I think the Blair/Brown years were the best we've had in the last 45 years, even though they could have done much better. But that's what adhering to neoliberal economic policy does. It doesn't really do much to improve the underlying needs of the country.

Deregulation caused the crash in 2008 all Brown did was follow the free for all that started in the US from which we have never recovered. All the giveaways that Blair introduced weren’t affordable, which is why boerrowing increased and growth declined
So we’re going to have an ethical Labour Party with no pollution or injustice, pie in the sky, politics isnt like that there is always someone that isn’t getting what they think they should

David49

MaizieD

Iraq war, or not, Blairs administration did a lot of good things, particularly funding public services (though PFI was a massive mistake which this government, with typical idiocy, looks likely to repeat.

And Brown's government saved the banks after the GFC, without them a lot of ordinary people would have ended up losing their money. The country was coming out of the recession caused by the GFC when it voted the tories in, who plunged us straight back into recession with its unnecessary 'austerity'.

I think the Blair/Brown years were the best we've had in the last 45 years, even though they could have done much better. But that's what adhering to neoliberal economic policy does. It doesn't really do much to improve the underlying needs of the country.

Deregulation caused the crash in 2008 all Brown did was follow the free for all that started in the US from which we have never recovered. All the giveaways that Blair introduced weren’t affordable, which is why boerrowing increased and growth declined
So we’re going to have an ethical Labour Party with no pollution or injustice, pie in the sky, politics isnt like that there is always someone that isn’t getting what they think they should

You need to learn some economic history David. Particularly the function of QE in response to the GFC..

Deregulation was stupid (and Reeves is looking to do it again) but Brown and Darling prevented catastrophe in 2008

Casdon

No, Corbyn’s Party is known as Your Party for now. It would be ironic if his Party was called Mainstream, surely.

Your Party!
It sounds like a cue for a song.

MaizieD

Corbyn has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

What do you think of Mainstream Labour, Ab?

It is relevant, though, because the Labour Party seems to be splintering into groups which is not good for its future

Allira

MaizieD

Corbyn has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

What do you think of Mainstream Labour, Ab?

It is relevant, though, because the Labour Party seems to be splintering into groups which is not good for its future

Corbyn isn’t in the Labour party.

He’s not relevant to a thread about a group within the LP.

“Deregulation was stupid (and Reeves is looking to do it again) but Brown and Darling prevented catastrophe in 2008”

All Brown did was dig the UK out of a hole he helped create, he was a poor PM too.

Blair created a bubble based on a free all that was not sustainable, we all enjoyed the good times, including myself, but it hurt a lot of people who ended up on the wrong side of the slump. One post on this thread labled Blair as “centre left”, rubbish, he continued all of Thatchers policies.

At least Blair had control of his party although he did cut and run when the going got tough.

What I would like is a government with integrity, that mean what they say, puts this country first,people who work hard having to use food banks why we take in more and more people we have to house, its madness. ,We have found out this one doesn't care, KS is a very bad judge of character, not a good quality for PM. overlooking the genrral concerns of working people. The Conservatives don't know what they stand for either, so I have given up for now as more and more recreations come out.
First thing stop the tax on farmers so we continue to be supplied with food and encourage business, so we continue to have jobs for people. Rachel Reeves should go she's useless.

Politics and integrity !

Anniebach

Politics and integrity !

I feel that ships well and truly sailed, and sunk in the deepest ocean.

Politics and integrity ? Surely

Never has been, never will

I’m not quite so cynical about most politicians . I expect them to be like the rest of us, muddling through, doing the best they can.
I must stress though, how angry and disappointed I am by the shambles around the Epstein sacking. Starmer’s work at the DPP had me accepting his commitment to the safety and protection of women and girls. I was not pleased when Mandelson was appointed but acknowledged his dark skills may help manage Trump.
It seems McSweeny watered down the concerns expressed by the security services. Starmer seems to have lacked the necessary curiosity when the emails were released. He shiukd have sacked McSweeny and Mandelson, disappointed me ?

I am not being cynical,it isn’t possible in politics

Most politicians start off honest as soon as they get involved in party politics that goes out of the window they have to follow the party line

Mandelson was yesterdays man they always have baggage from past mistakes and are best left on the scrap heap

Whitewavemark2

This isn’t a new party but a group of individuals working to try to steer Labour back to “first principles” it seems to me.

Well, I’m all for that, because unless Labour gets back on track, I like many others will find ourselves looking to cast our vote elsewhere.

The three headlined issues would be a good start.

I agree with this.

It is good that it is within the Labour party as a pressure group rather than some new fringe party setting out to be radical - these do have a strong tendency to be damp squibs.

I hope that they will help to steer the government back to the most important values that make people vote Labour.

Whitewavemark2

Honestly -this is nothing new within the Labour Party, it has always happened.

Blair, Brown and he who should not be named were instrumental in forming the new Labour group in the 90s - to huge success.

Go further back and you can see it happening to lesser or greater success throughout Labour’s history.

It is because Labour membership is such a hugely broad church.

There will always be tension - particularly when the leadership is not performing as expected.

How lovely to read something that is not an "only my view matters" post!

Integrity refers to the quality of being honest, having strong moral principles, and maintaining soundness in character and conduct. It means adhering to ethical and moral standards consistently, acting with truthfulness and sincerity, and staying true to one's beliefs, even in challenging situations. In a more literal sense, it also refers to the state of being whole, complete, or in an unimpaired condition.

GrannyGravy13

Anniebach

Politics and integrity !

I feel that ships well and truly sailed, and sunk in the deepest ocean.

I don't think it ever existed.

We just hear about it now and social media blows anything it chooses out of all proportion very quickly.

DaisyAnneReturns

GrannyGravy13

Anniebach

Politics and integrity !

I feel that ships well and truly sailed, and sunk in the deepest ocean.

I don't think it ever existed.

We just hear about it now and social media blows anything it chooses out of all proportion very quickly.

KS and the Labour Party proclaimed in every interview pre election that they were the party against sleaze

They will be hung by their own petard, anti sleaze minister gone for being involved in sleaze along with six other ministers resigning before they were sacked.

Peter Mandelson was the last straw for me, if I knew he was a sleazy Machiavellian, and even he said that there were more revelations to come in an interview which went out before PMQ’s when we had to witness KS supporting him…

Pointless for Tory supporters to point fingers at politicians from other parties, criticising Mandelson will bring back Tory party names.

When speaking of integrity my thoughts were of voting in parliament and x number abstaining, loyalty to their party etc