This must be a sad day for England

But you always get a percentage of people who go with the intention of turning any protest into violence

No you don't. I went on the 2nd Brexit march. about 1 million people. No violence at all.

Violence only seems to accompany right wing 'protests'

Happilyretired123
Not so peaceful - police attacked, calls for the assassination on the Prime Minister. Not very patriotic at all.

Yes- totally unacceptable.
But you always get a percentage of people who go with the intention of turning any protest into violence.

More to the point what the heck has it got to do with him?
Brexiters should be up in arms. I mean talk about interference from a foreigner.

I believe Musk told those at the march to fight back or die and to dissolve government.
Hardly a unifying message or one aimed at encouraging a peaceful march.

Musk - .”you must meet violence with violence”

Q. What violence must they meet?

“U.K. needs revolutionary government change”

Q. to what?

“The U.K. needs a government by the people for the people”

Q. What form of government does he mean?

Just a bit of his speech which left me with more questions than answers.

Wonder what those on the rally thought it meant?

ronib

As predicted, Nigel Farage has announced the defection of Danny Kruger from the Conservative Party to Reform. There’s a press conference going on just now. Kruger will spearhead the way Reform will set up in government….. Old Etonian and Oxbridge. Very good at presentation….

Nigel Farage does the best Muppet expressions…. Kruger must be a coup for Reform?

🤣 but isn’t Reform beginning to look like the Tories as so many of them are defecting?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Or a joyous reminder of what it is to be British. An amazing sight. Families, young and old, peacefully protesting. Lots and lots of women are there, I notice and not a few black people, too.
And thousands upon thousands of flags.
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Not so peaceful - police attacked, calls for the assassination on the Prime Minister. Not very patriotic at all.

were really

Fat phone fingers😚

No-one have anything to say about Elon Musk's appearance at the March?

And the nonUK flags, on a Unite the UK march? We're some people just a tad confused as to what it was teally about?

As, I think, Musk was. Calling for division at a supposedly 'unifying event 🤔

Well looking at the speeches might help us understand a bit.

I’ve only partially listened to Musk, which seemed to come right out of the Trump’s January 6th rhetoric. That should give us some idea as to the foolishness. I haven’t yet bothered with mr four names.

I wonder if TR knows a lot of elderly grans spend half their day talking about him.
It’s a complete waste of time slagging him off on here btw, or trying to put people off supporting him. as his main support is young men ( men under 60 anyway ) so I doubt there’s many of them reading this forum . They’re also more than well aware of his past!

foxie48

I find it very sad that "ordinary"people think they will "unite" behind an organisation which is being led by someone like Tommy Robinson. Tommy Robinson is about division and hatred and although I don't think they are stupid, I do think they should educate themselves with regard to fascism, scapegoating, which is a commonly used tactic by fascists and also what the government has actually been doing to reduce the level of immigration which is a lot more than was done by the previous government.

I tried to copy and paste Robinsons Wikipedia entry but it ran into so many pages I couldn’t do it. None of it was good.

foxie48

Pleased to know I'm not the only one confused as to what people were marching for! Tbh I don't think many of those marching did either and if they didn't hear the speeches they would be none the wiser.

You’d think with all the thousands and thousands and thousands (possibly millions) of people in attendance, and those offering up support on GN, at least someone would be able to shed a bit of light on it for the rest of us ‘thickos’🤷‍♀️

Cossy
Are you saying you’ve never heard of Tommy Robinson? One of Yaxley's aliases?

Nice twist to suit your agenda.

Read about the history of Luton Town MIGs. (Men in Gear). They were Luton Town football hooligans.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luton_Town_MIGs

The real Tommy Robinson was a prominent member and has published two books about his 25 year engagement in football violence.

Yaxley Lennon admires him so much he took his name.

Whenever he is arrested, charged and prosecuted it is as Stephen Yaxley Lennon.

StripeyGran

Just a small point, people of all colours can be racist.

And if somebody believes in living a quiet life and values fairness, why do they consistently start threads which provoke dischord?

It’s not a small point*StripeyGran*, it’s massive and for once I agree with you! 🤣

I have spoken on here many times about the racism I have personally witnessed over several years between Asians and West Indians. Many, many times I had to act as go between otherwise no work would have got done.

In more recent years when we had loads of East Europeans working here and there were frequently fights between eg Polish and Lithuanians or Albanians.

Some people wrongly assume that it is black versus white and it really isn’t. They also can’t understand that a person of colour should not support the dinghy people but many do because they struggled to come here legally and think it is very unfair.

FYI Mollygo:

Born:
Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon

Other names:
Tommy Robinson
Andrew McMaster
Paul Harris
Wayne King
Stephen Lennon

Source: Wikipedia

Mm, interesting… Stephen Lennon (Steve Lee???) 🤔 Just saying 🤔

Pleased to know I'm not the only one confused as to what people were marching for! Tbh I don't think many of those marching did either and if they didn't hear the speeches they would be none the wiser.

I’d never heard of anyone called Yaxley Lennon, until you mentioned him, and from what I’ve now read, I wouldn’t support his views

Seriously Mollygo?

Perhaps you might want to look up Tommy Robinson on Wikipedia.

It's a shame Steve Lee didn't get to hear the speeches. Perhaps he could have commented on Elon Musk telling them that 'the left' were murderers and that violence was coming to them that they'd have to fight back against it or die.

Was he calling for violent revolution?

edition.cnn.com/2025/09/14/uk/elon-musk-uk-government-far-right-rally-intl

There seems to be some international confusion as to the purpose of the march (which really mirrors our own confusion)

Gulf News labels it as an anti immigration march

gulfnews.com/world/europe/whats-happening-in-the-uk-musks-fight-back-or-die-speech-escalates-london-rally-rhetoric-1.500268725

Fox news seems to think it was to honour Charlie Kirk

www.foxnews.com/world/charlie-kirk-honored-generations-greatest-massive-london-rally-where-musk-condemns-left

I would like to know what Israel, American (I presume Mr Lee means USA) and other national flags were doing on a 'Unite the UK' march...

Thee is no doubt that Mr Lee had a great time. Large crowds of like minded people usually are very sociable and uplifting.

Eloethan

According to Steve Lee, apparently there was no racist dimension to the TR demo but people were primarily demonstrating against our "pathetic, useless government".

I am not impressed with our government either but it is not responsible for the complete shambles that we find ourselves in now. We have had 14 years of Conservative incompetence and corruption, leaving every single public service in a parlous state and our economy in tatters. Where were all these voices and flags over the last 14years?

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Just a small point, people of all colours can be racist.

And if somebody believes in living a quiet life and values fairness, why do they consistently start threads which provoke dischord?

Mollygo

^ Steve Lee can write what he likes about his jolly day out but it was organised by Yaxley Lennon, a man who “exaggerates and twists everything to fit his agenda" and there was violence. Did Steve do any protesting in the previous 14 years? Why not? Why now?^

I have no idea? Did you?
I think you would probably be correct if you said people don’t know all about or support the organisers of the protest.
I’d never heard of anyone called Yaxley Lennon, until you mentioned him, and from what I’ve now read, I wouldn’t support his views.
The only interesting thing you said about him is that he twists everything to fit his agenda.
He could well be a politician on those grounds.

Are you saying you’ve never heard of Tommy Robinson? One of Yaxley's aliases?

PaynesGrey

Good question, Cossy.

I grew up up in London. All my life I have been hearing this anti-migrant racist b*llshit. We don’t want Italians coming here. We don’t want Greeks coming here, We don’t want Cypriots, We don’t want Turks. We don’t want Irish, West Indians, Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese, Kenyans, Ugandans, Rumanians, Poles, Ukranians … (YL has an Irish mother).

He has been peddling his racist poison for two decades.

Steve Lee can write what he likes about his jolly day out but it was organised by Yaxley Lennon, a man who “exaggerates and twists everything to fit his agenda" and there was violence. Did Steve do any protesting in the previous 14 years? Why not? Why now?

Is Yaxley Lennon rallying the masses? 110,000 to 150,000 at a protest? More people attended four London Premiership football matches on Saturday. Every weekday, over a milllion people commute into central London to work.

Let’s be honest. YL thinks he speaks for white people. 82% of the UK population decribes itself as white British or white other. That’s over 58 million people from a population of 70 million. Where were they on Saturday?

The majority of these protesters wave and drape themselves in the George flag and claim to want to Unite the Kingdom. It’s the England flag. It doesn’t represent Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland although I note reports that there were some flags depicting the saltaire and dragon.

The last time I looked, King Charles was the monarch of the United Kingdom and 14 Commonwealth realms, most of those with predominantly black populations. The combined population of the Kingdom is around 3 billion people.

150,000 people following a notorious racist and convicted felon isn't representing or uniting the Kingdom.

The Union flag has a problematic history. Tim Marshall explains it very well in his book Worth Dying For. The Power and the Politics of Flags. The flag shows Scotland and Northern Ireland as subservient to England. It doesn’t depict Wales at all.

It was around the time of The Troubles in Northern Ireland that the National Front appropriated both flags. Marshall decribes travelling on a bus in Oxford in the 1980s when Leeds United football supporters yelled out of the windows at black people: There’s no black in the Union Jack. Go back home you b*stards. 45 years on, nothing much has changed, has it?

YL and his slavish followers need to design their own flag. If they did, I wonder what it would depict? Perhaps their leader behind bars again or running for the nearest airport every time the police are on his tail.

They can get a different slogan too. They don’t and never will speak for me or the decent majority. The media may salivate over the antics of YL just as they do over Farage. The majority will just screen out their noise and get on with their lives in multi-cultural communites. I’ve been doing that for 70 years.

Great reply and I agree absolutely with it all

^ Steve Lee can write what he likes about his jolly day out but it was organised by Yaxley Lennon, a man who “exaggerates and twists everything to fit his agenda" and there was violence. Did Steve do any protesting in the previous 14 years? Why not? Why now?^

I have no idea? Did you?
I think you would probably be correct if you said people don’t know all about or support the organisers of the protest.
I’d never heard of anyone called Yaxley Lennon, until you mentioned him, and from what I’ve now read, I wouldn’t support his views.
The only interesting thing you said about him is that he twists everything to fit his agenda.
He could well be a politician on those grounds.