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Racism is a result of poor psychological functioning

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GrannyGravy13 Tue 16-Sept-25 08:51:15

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

In other words racism is a a symptom of psychological ill health

Taken from your post Whitewavemark2

Definition of psychological ill health - a mental disorder, also known as mental illness.

OK I take your point, but I can’t understand how identifying the cause of racism puts more pressure on those suffering from mental health.

To my mind it brings much greater understanding and perhaps an answer to the unhappiness we are witnessing.

We have a close family member with a serious mental health diagnosis. If they were to read your post I know exactly what the reaction would be, and that’s just one individual.

Oh no it must be all my fault, why doesn’t anyone realise I cannot help being ill, if I had a broken leg I would get tea and sympathy

eazybee Tue 16-Sept-25 08:50:08

More diversionary tactics.

Oreo Tue 16-Sept-25 08:49:51

Aveline

Interesting but it's only one theory produced by one psychologist. I'm sure there are many others.

There’s bound to be.
It’s an interesting but maybe flawed interpretation, I agree with the national feeling of insecurity as at the moment in the UK tho where we know that the economy isn’t doing well, food prices soaring, rents soaring, routine appointments with the NHS taking a year or more, lack of dentist appointments and lack of social housing.People aren’t fools, they know there are too many people here , regardless of race, all competing for the same things.It’s sure to enhance the pull up the drawbridge view isn’t it? Those with plenty of money don’t notice these effects much so don’t have the same view.
Human beings have always been at each other’s throats, just as animals are when others are seen to be encroaching on their territory.That isn’t really race of course.
Individual people who are racist in their views come from all backgrounds rich and poor so am not sure ‘anxiety’ is the reason.

David49 Tue 16-Sept-25 08:48:06

It may well be correct that mental functioning is the reason for racism but all those people have a vote and want solutions not excuses.
They believe the influx of migrants and the growth in the UK population due to migration is the reason for their hardship and the government is not providing a solution. Farage is offering a solution

LizzieDrip Tue 16-Sept-25 08:47:46

A really interesting article WW. Thanks🙏

It’s good to try and understand human behaviour and actions isn’t it.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Sept-25 08:46:16

GrannyGravy13

^In other words racism is a a symptom of psychological ill health^

Taken from your post Whitewavemark2

Definition of psychological ill health - a mental disorder, also known as mental illness.

OK I take your point, but I can’t understand how identifying the cause of racism puts more pressure on those suffering from mental health.

To my mind it brings much greater understanding and perhaps an answer to the unhappiness we are witnessing.

GoodAfternoonTea Tue 16-Sept-25 08:40:46

Yes, but like anything does one have to like people or food from elsewhere? I worked in an office with a lady from a European country and she kept telling us what is was like in her country and how they did things, brought in food from her country for us to try and was quite unhappy because I have a plain palette and knew I could not digest her offerings etc. I was never rude and minded my own business. But, I did feel under pressure to 'like' what she was introducing into my office setting. Are we not allowed to be comfortable with what we are used to if we do not create bad feeling?

GrannyGravy13 Tue 16-Sept-25 08:38:22

In other words racism is a a symptom of psychological ill health

Taken from your post Whitewavemark2

Definition of psychological ill health - a mental disorder, also known as mental illness.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Sept-25 08:35:44

NotSpaghetti

theconversation.com/racism-isnt-innate-here-are-five-psychological-stages-that-may-lead-to-it-264391

Thought I'd link this here.

Thanks WWM

Excellent - I can’t do links which is why I paste. Mind you I think it is often more productive as people often whizz past links, but do read posts.n

Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Sept-25 08:34:01

Aveline

Interesting but it's only one theory produced by one psychologist. I'm sure there are many others.

Yes there are, but I am much more convinced by this theory.

I could introduce them, but I think it would muddle the thread.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Sept-25 08:31:51

GrannyGravy13

Let’s blame something else in mental health issues.

Do you not think they suffer enough?

This isn’t a mental health issue!!

Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Sept-25 08:30:06

The problem with the article of course (and not within its scope) is that whilst it describes the result of the anxiety and insecurity, it does nothing to explain the causes of the anxiety and insecurity.

I have argued in other threads, that the cause of this malaise is economic, beginning in particular with the bankers crash of 2008, and governments completely failing to tackle the economy by getting back demand through government investment.

As a result the economy has been utterly failing to produce and bring back the necessary conditions like public services, and health and financial that support the less well off in society in particular. Indeed what has happened over the past decade or more is that wealth in our society has become ever more concentrated at the top, and nothing is being done to produce greater equity or opportunity.

Giving these societal conditions of ever more job insecurity ( zero hours- poor living wage), poorer health outcomes and housing, is it any wonder that the less well off are feeling anxious and insecure?

Race and racism isn’t the cause of this insecurity, it is the result.

AGAA4 Tue 16-Sept-25 08:30:05

I think racism can be passed down through families too. Hopefully with better education more people learn to reason.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 16-Sept-25 08:28:21

Let’s blame something else in mental health issues.

Do you not think they suffer enough?

NotSpaghetti Tue 16-Sept-25 08:25:17

Meant to say, open up the "comments" section at the bottom of the article.
Those are fascinating too!

Maremia Tue 16-Sept-25 08:23:10

Oh boy, this is going to be a lively thread. Thanks WWM2, very timely.

Babs03 Tue 16-Sept-25 08:22:11

We can see resonances with Germany in the 1930s, the country was bankrupt after having to pay crippling war reparations after the First World War, people were on their knees and obviously feeling insecure and anxious. And after the trouncing Germany got in the war what better than a party promising a resurgence of nationalism, pride in their nation. But of course there needed to be a scapegoat for Germany’s failings, a group that could be blamed for ongoing financial ruin, and I think we all know which group were chosen, and dehumanised in order to permit horrendous atrocities.
There are resonances but the UK is by no means the same. However, the hate speech of Musk and TR is exactly the same, aimed without any doubt at demonising and dehumanising Muslims.
We need to be aware of this and not excuse it because of the failings of our government in addressing people’s insecurities and anxieties. There are never any excuses for this.

Aveline Tue 16-Sept-25 08:21:45

Interesting but it's only one theory produced by one psychologist. I'm sure there are many others.

NotSpaghetti Tue 16-Sept-25 08:19:26

theconversation.com/racism-isnt-innate-here-are-five-psychological-stages-that-may-lead-to-it-264391

Thought I'd link this here.

Thanks WWM

LucyAnna5 Tue 16-Sept-25 08:00:02

Interesting, WWM2

StripeyGran Tue 16-Sept-25 07:47:42

No no no Babs. Elon wanted to protect poor abused young girls in Rochdale surely?

Tommeh is a patriot and Nigel tells it how it is.

Babs03 Tue 16-Sept-25 07:43:04

And of course there are always those who will exploit these feelings for their own personal advancement and nefarious agendas, as with TR, Musk, and Farage.

Babs03 Tue 16-Sept-25 07:39:43

WW2
That is such an interesting read, and does explain a lot. Especially the need to belong to and identify with a group when feeling insecure or anxious.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Sept-25 07:24:51

Steve Taylor, a senior psychological university lecturer has produced an article which outlines how racism may develop, and the 5 stages leading to it.

“ Research shows a link between prejudice and poor psychological functioning, including poor relationships with insecurity and aggression. This can often be traced back to a disturbed and insecure childhood. Other research has shown a link between racism and anxiety, demonstrating that people become more prejudiced during challenging times.

More generally, studies demontrate that when people are made to feel insecure or anxious, they are more likely to identify with their national or ethnic groups. This enhances their self-esteem and their sense of identity, as a defence against insecurity and anxiety.

There are clearly social and economic factors that encourage racism, such as hierarchy and inequality. But the above research suggests that racism is largely a psychological defence mechanism against anxiety and insecurity.”

The 5 stages

1. L“the process begins when a person lacks a sense of security and identity, which generates a desire to affiliate themselves with a group. This affiliation strengthens their identity and provides a sense of belonging.

What’s wrong with this? Why shouldn’t we take pride in our national or religious identity, and feel a sense of brotherhood or sisterhood with others who share our identity?

2. Because group identity often leads to a second, more dangerous stage. In order to further strengthen their sense of identity, members of a group may develop antagonism towards other groups. Such hostility may make the group feel more defined and cohesive, as if they can see themselves more clearly in opposition to others.

3. A third stage of the process is when members of a group withdraw empathy from members of other groups, limiting their concern and compassion to their peers. They may act benevolently towards members of their own group but be indifferent or callous to anyone outside it. The withdrawal of empathy turns other human beings into objects, and enables cruelty and violence.

4. Fourth is the homogenisation of individuals belonging to other groups. People are no longer perceived in terms of their individual personalities or behaviour, but in terms of prejudices about the group as a whole. Any member of the group is a legitimate target and can be punished for the alleged transgressions of other individuals from the group. In contemporary terms, any asylum seeker can be punished for the alleged crime of an individual asylum seeker.

5. Finally, people may project their own psychological flaws and personal failings onto another group, as a strategy of avoiding responsibility. Other groups become scapegoats, and consequently are liable to attacked or even murdered. People with strong narcissistic and paranoid personality traits are especially prone to such projection, since they struggle to accept their personal faults, instead searching for others to take the blame.

In other words, racism is a symptom of psychological ill-health, a sign of anxiety and of a lack of identity and inner security. Psychologically healthy people with a stable sense of identity and security are very rarely (if ever) racist. They ultimately have no need to strengthen their sense of self through group identity.

The Conversation
16/9/25