1 in 1 out, not even off the ground at first attempt.

Who is paying for the Human Rights Lawyers, and the never-ending appeals against being deported? We are! The long-suffering (but becoming increasingly annoyed) British public!

RinseAndRepeat

@growstuff. With an ageing population and a falling birthrate, it is reasonable to assume that increasing immigration will change the demographic makeup of the UK over time. I make no comment on whether this is a good or bad thing save for making the comment that we do need workers to pay for increasing levels of retirement; care and other social costs.

Even the Labour Party cannot giveaway money at will if the size of the pot is decreasing.

Aha! So it's the changing "demographic profile" which people fear.

I don't see the direct connection between that and a thread on asylum seekers.

History demonstrates that countries' demographic profiles and ethnic backgrounds are in a constant state of change. There is nothing very different happening in the UK now, although you wouldn't know that from all the hyperbolic language (eg. mass, hoard, overrun, etc etc), which gets used.

Oreo

StripeyGran

This from The Guardian re somebody waiting to be sent back.

Fessahaye, is an asylum seeker from Eritrea who fled indefinite military conscription in his home country, and walked through the Sahara before being tortured and enslaved in Libya

Tortured and enslaved, think about it. Or rather don't.

Nobody is in favour of unregulated mass immigration but surely handling this with compassion would be something to feel proud of.

Or so he claims?

As I understand it, he has been asked to provide evidence in the next fortnight so they can set a date for a hearing. I wonder what will happen if he can't provide it.

The government have been returning immigrants in greater numbers than in the previous ones.

Failing to send people 'back' was an equally common occurence under the previous governments too so I take this thread as just being another reason to have a go at the PM.

Ladyleftfieldlover

It took the Tories 14 years to get absolutely nowhere with their immigration plan!

and anything that the Tories did in 14 years, Labour does in months.

As long as Human Rights people are/get involved it'll never stop them coming in or being returned, no matter who the government are.

@growstuff. With an ageing population and a falling birthrate, it is reasonable to assume that increasing immigration will change the demographic makeup of the UK over time. I make no comment on whether this is a good or bad thing save for making the comment that we do need workers to pay for increasing levels of retirement; care and other social costs.

Even the Labour Party cannot giveaway money at will if the size of the pot is decreasing.

JenniferEccles

If this situation is not resolved soon, the UK along with most of Europe will be unrecognisable in a few short years.

In what way will the countries be unrecognisable? Will mountains and rivers be moved?

Seems this is popular topic - three threads on it here! I can honestly say I've not heard a peep about it here in French newspapers, or on tv. It really isn't of any importance to them - or they knew it was doomed to fail.
The French are far more interested in blocking everything tomorrow over the cost of living. Everyone wants more money and cheaper bills, that's the bottom line.

The only solution I can see to the migrants and small boats problem is for asylum seekers to have their claims processed in Calais, then to allow them safe passage to the UK. But this requires the full cooperation of the French! We could even pay for hotels in Northern France to house them, (maybe cheaper than UK hotels) and feed them, but no UK benefits until they arrive, and then 3 months to find work.

Oreo

StripeyGran

This from The Guardian re somebody waiting to be sent back.

Fessahaye, is an asylum seeker from Eritrea who fled indefinite military conscription in his home country, and walked through the Sahara before being tortured and enslaved in Libya

Tortured and enslaved, think about it. Or rather don't.

Nobody is in favour of unregulated mass immigration but surely handling this with compassion would be something to feel proud of.

Or so he claims?

The Eritrean passport does not state nationality nor is it issued until after military service is completed, apparently.
Men and women are conscripted for 18 months, receive some military training then work on construction projects or agriculture.
However, the period of conscription is often longer than the initial time.

friendlygingercat

The human rights bunch will always step in until we suspend the ECHR and 1951 migrant agreements.

How did Australia get around these for their tough immigration policy? They established agreements with other countries to process asylum seekers outside Australia so that they could not seek asylum within the country. In essence, Australia's strategy involves an "externalization" of its border protection policies, shifting the responsibility for housing and processing asylum seekers to other nations.

I doubt any British government (other than Reform) would adopt this stance.

Hopefully not.

If this situation is not resolved soon, the UK along with most of Europe will be unrecognisable in a few short years.

If Burnham it may be 3rd time lucky, was it 2010 leadership contest 5 applicants he was 4th, Ed Milliband won ?

friendlygingercat

Starmer is now one more step nearer to a vote of no confidence and a leadership challenge. But who will its be?

Andy Burnham is being touted but needs a bi-election to first become an MP.

You have the best user name on this site 🐈

That’s the message some of the gangs have been spreading valdavi but who knows?

Starmer is now one more step nearer to a vote of no confidence and a leadership challenge. But who will its be?

Andy Burnham is being touted but needs a bi-election to first become an MP.

StripeyGran

This from The Guardian re somebody waiting to be sent back.

Fessahaye, is an asylum seeker from Eritrea who fled indefinite military conscription in his home country, and walked through the Sahara before being tortured and enslaved in Libya

Tortured and enslaved, think about it. Or rather don't.

Nobody is in favour of unregulated mass immigration but surely handling this with compassion would be something to feel proud of.

You only have his word for that!

In our area a couple claimed asylum here claiming they were from war torn Congo. They were given a house, furniture, food, cash, everything they needed. She was encouraged to join a college course and he found work.

They thought they had played a blinder until they had a row, he killed her and dumped her in a ditch. Only when her body was found did extensive enquiries take place and the authorities looked very stupid when it was discovered they had been living happily in Germany or Holland for many years not the Congo.

Oreo

The government cannot just believe anything that asylum seekers tell them.All sorts of porky pies are employed to claim asylum here.See if he wants to stay in France, the French say that returned AS will be free to come and go and the gangs there have agreed to help them get back here for free, having paid once.

For free? Pull the other one.

All other aspects of immigration aside, I think what irritates me most was the back-patting and hand-shaking between Starmer and Macron over the one in, one out scheme.
To be fair, Macron had little to lose, but Starmer heralded it as such a success he must now be feeling a bit glum now.

This is wholly & totally out of control .
In the words of the ‘Kaiser Chiefs ‘ “ I predict a riot “ oh wait it’s happening already !!

What an absolute nightmare , it’s obvious that the selected government & the ones in waiting have no idea how to handle this .
People are making money left right & centre , from the somewhat greedy & unorthodox people taking money from the boat people .
To the quangos set up to house these people , hotels being used solely for housing purposes.

It is beyond a nightmare .

You know that you can under strict guidelines rent out your property for seven years to house asylum seekers awaiting legal authority to remain . The rent is paid ,if even a light bulb 💡 goes it is replaced . All maintenance is covered within that contract with whatever govt agency.
Not to mention the benefits system plus education & NHS services.

So, money to be made , mortgages paid & meanwhile we have people on waiting lists for local housing properties who don’t have the means for a 3 month deposit on private rent .

A complete & utter mess all round . Whatever my political stances my vote in future will be for the party that actually supports dealing with this incoming frenzy .

In my area , we have had flags Union Jacks & St George’s flags placed around the town . I’m not in favour of this action , but I can see how people are rightfully fed up to the back teeth .

Meanwhile ,there are people I know whose titchy tiny private pension will take them above any threshold for claiming pension credits ,wfa & whatever else , crazy .
Though I am aware that is a whole different subject entirely.

Reportedly, many conscripts live in terrible conditions, and are essentially used for slave labor, subjected to severe physical punishments for trying to escape, and are at the mercy of their commanders
Sounds a bit like National Service. If we bring that back, they’ll be right home! 😏

The government cannot just believe anything that asylum seekers tell them.All sorts of porky pies are employed to claim asylum here.See if he wants to stay in France, the French say that returned AS will be free to come and go and the gangs there have agreed to help them get back here for free, having paid once.

Oreo

StripeyGran

This from The Guardian re somebody waiting to be sent back.

Fessahaye, is an asylum seeker from Eritrea who fled indefinite military conscription in his home country, and walked through the Sahara before being tortured and enslaved in Libya

Tortured and enslaved, think about it. Or rather don't.

Nobody is in favour of unregulated mass immigration but surely handling this with compassion would be something to feel proud of.

Or so he claims?

Well yes?

GrannyGravy13

StripeyGran

This from The Guardian re somebody waiting to be sent back.

Fessahaye, is an asylum seeker from Eritrea who fled indefinite military conscription in his home country, and walked through the Sahara before being tortured and enslaved in Libya

Tortured and enslaved, think about it. Or rather don't.

Nobody is in favour of unregulated mass immigration but surely handling this with compassion would be something to feel proud of.

1. why was he tortured and enslaved in Libya

2. Many countries have military conscription, even in Europe

I can scarcely be bothered but

1. Amnesty has information on this. I have spoken to people who have direct experience.

2 Reportedly, many conscripts live in terrible conditions, and are essentially used for slave labor, subjected to severe physical punishments for trying to escape, and are at the mercy of their commanders

So far so predictable that the human rights lawyers would operate against us - no surprises there when I saw a photo of a fair-size group of them the other day and thought "I do hope they're supporting the country they or their parents came to....." about most of them. Where do their loyalties lie?

An article in today's newspapers saying that there is greater implications than we thought re our housing. An over-55 guy that broke into our country has been housed in over-55 accommodation. It's not clear whether we have spare accommodation or no in that sector - but I'd be willing to bet we haven't. Cue for him bringing over his much younger wife and the very young children they've had into that "over 55" accommodation. The children were allowed to make a lot of noise by the sound of it by their parents - and so, not surprisingly other residents have pointed out he's the only one over 55 and are asking why his family is allowed to be there and complaining about the childrens noise (as they are way away from being in that agegroup). He's fighting being kicked out of it and I'm thinking "How many bets he's going to fight a legal fight (at our expense) to keep them there?"

So it looks like we might well get a situation as to where do our over 55's find "over-55 accommodation" to live in if the principle gets allowed to be broken that that is there specifically only for that agegroup?

The Government seems to be grabbing for every type of housing there is - be it hotels, brand new housing meant for one of our households, privately rented little terrace houses, student accommodation, nurses accommodation (I believe). Now over 55 accommodation as well and there doesnt seem to be ANY of our accommodation being left sacrosanct as to be used only for the purpose and the people it's meant for.