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1 in 1 out, not even off the ground at first attempt.

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friendlygingercat Tue 16-Sept-25 12:38:45

The human rights bunch will always step in until we suspend the ECHR and 1951 migrant agreements.

How did Australia get around these for their tough immigration policy? They established agreements with other countries to process asylum seekers outside Australia so that they could not seek asylum within the country. In essence, Australia's strategy involves an "externalization" of its border protection policies, shifting the responsibility for housing and processing asylum seekers to other nations.

I doubt any British government (other than Reform) would adopt this stance.

Oreo Tue 16-Sept-25 12:36:24

StripeyGran

This from The Guardian re somebody waiting to be sent back.

Fessahaye, is an asylum seeker from Eritrea who fled indefinite military conscription in his home country, and walked through the Sahara before being tortured and enslaved in Libya

Tortured and enslaved, think about it. Or rather don't.

Nobody is in favour of unregulated mass immigration but surely handling this with compassion would be something to feel proud of.

Or so he claims?

GrannyGravy13 Tue 16-Sept-25 12:33:13

StripeyGran

This from The Guardian re somebody waiting to be sent back.

Fessahaye, is an asylum seeker from Eritrea who fled indefinite military conscription in his home country, and walked through the Sahara before being tortured and enslaved in Libya

Tortured and enslaved, think about it. Or rather don't.

Nobody is in favour of unregulated mass immigration but surely handling this with compassion would be something to feel proud of.

1. why was he tortured and enslaved in Libya

2. Many countries have military conscription, even in Europe

Kandinsky Tue 16-Sept-25 12:28:14

Under International Law, if you claim asylum as soon as you set foot on their land I believe the answer is yes!

Well then it’s pointless any government trying to find a solution to this problem, because as soon as they set foot here they’ll be allowed to stay.
The human rights act needs amending & I’ll vote for anyone who’ll do that.

pably15 Tue 16-Sept-25 12:28:07

Kandinsky

*Bloody Human Rights. Pain in the arse*

Have I got the right to turn up at any country, no passport, no record of my past, & be allowed to stay?

As long as it's the UK you come to..yes looks that way

sundowngirl Tue 16-Sept-25 12:27:21

Wasn't Kier Starmer one of these Human Rights lawyers?? His heart isn't really in sending anyone back.

Who is vetting these immigrants that France will send us in exchange? Is it the French or do we have people on the ground in France doing this vetting?

Cossy Tue 16-Sept-25 12:23:53

eazybee

It is said Human Rights Lawyers, and their Practices, make a huge amount of money from this.

Who is paying them?

There are many Aslyum
Charities

Cossy Tue 16-Sept-25 12:22:58

Kandinsky

*Bloody Human Rights. Pain in the arse*

Have I got the right to turn up at any country, no passport, no record of my past, & be allowed to stay?

Under International Law, if you claim asylum as soon as you set foot on their land I believe the answer is yes!

StripeyGran Tue 16-Sept-25 12:16:32

This from The Guardian re somebody waiting to be sent back.

Fessahaye, is an asylum seeker from Eritrea who fled indefinite military conscription in his home country, and walked through the Sahara before being tortured and enslaved in Libya

Tortured and enslaved, think about it. Or rather don't.

Nobody is in favour of unregulated mass immigration but surely handling this with compassion would be something to feel proud of.

Oreo Tue 16-Sept-25 09:05:34

StripeyGran

There has to be a way to organise this mess. We have lost our humanity somewhere along the way.

Not at all.
This is an agreement between us and France, it does nothing for actual numbers but was meant for us to exchange an asylum seeker to France and accept another with links of some kind to the UK .
I always doubted it would work and so far it hasn’t.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 16-Sept-25 08:58:48

eazybee

It is said Human Rights Lawyers, and their Practices, make a huge amount of money from this.

Who is paying them?

If they have Legal Aid, I imagine it comes from a Government Department (our taxes, but as we know they do not fund spending).

eazybee Tue 16-Sept-25 08:52:31

It is said Human Rights Lawyers, and their Practices, make a huge amount of money from this.

Who is paying them?

StripeyGran Tue 16-Sept-25 08:25:28

There has to be a way to organise this mess. We have lost our humanity somewhere along the way.

Kandinsky Tue 16-Sept-25 08:21:41

Bloody Human Rights. Pain in the arse

Have I got the right to turn up at any country, no passport, no record of my past, & be allowed to stay?

escaped Tue 16-Sept-25 08:16:50

Ladyleftfieldlover

It took the Tories 14 years to get absolutely nowhere with their immigration plan!

Exactly. This is why ........ the legal challenges along the way.
Where I'm coming from on this, is couldn't everyone have foreseen this with 1 in 1 out, especially lawyer?

StripeyGran Tue 16-Sept-25 08:15:40

Bloody Human Rights. Pain in the arse.

Kandinsky Tue 16-Sept-25 08:14:15

Those on yesterday’s flight were stopped by Human Rights Lawyers.

This is why we’ll never stop them coming.

Kandinsky Tue 16-Sept-25 08:09:52

Have we actually sent any back yet?
All these plans the government come up with to tackle the small boats problem never seems to come to anything.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 16-Sept-25 08:08:57

Yes we know it took the Conservatives 14 years to not get very far with either Rwanda or their deportation flights, which were prevented by Human Rights Lawyers.

Those on yesterday’s flight were stopped by Human Rights Lawyers.

It’s not as easy being in government as Labour thought.

Ladyleftfieldlover Tue 16-Sept-25 08:02:56

It took the Tories 14 years to get absolutely nowhere with their immigration plan!

Sparklefizz Tue 16-Sept-25 08:00:42

Sigh.

escaped Tue 16-Sept-25 07:44:19

Starmer obviously didnt come up with a water tight solution regarding legalities then?
Back to square one.