Genocide is being committed in Gaza by Israel

The IDF shot a 13 year old boy standing next to his father. The father asked him why and there was no answer. This is just one example of the brutality of Israel. They kill children.

So, recognising a state that doesn't exist, infuriating Israel into the bargain, will make the war in Gaza miraculously come to an end?! If Hamas were to release the hostages then it would stand a chance of ending but as from today , having been given the green light from the West, they clearly never will, so what or who can persuade Israel to sue for peace in the knowledge that a hostile state will be set up with the blessing of its so called allies in the West,A State that in all probability will be hell bent on destroying every Jew that they can lay their hands on? Why on earth would Israel do that?! A very bad situation has just been made infinitely worse! Why is no one in the West calling for the release of the hostages? Is it anti semitism? Are the UN anti semitic? they certainly gave a good impression of it the other day! Is hatred of Jews the real reason the world has forgotten those poor souls, of of course that's if they're still alive?

Jabberwok nice to see some clear thinking on this issue rather than the woolly stuff routinely thrown up.
When this government loses badly at the next election, a given btw and entirely of their own doing, maybe the incoming government can rescind their recognition of a State which doesn’t exist.
Starmer caves in to everything, in this case the left in the Party, some of his own MP’s and fear of losing the Muslim vote.

It's laughable and deeply embarrassing and shameful not to have done so would have been all of those things, in fact it is our shame that this wasn't done sooner.

Thank you for your post @ 13.40 Babs. There will of course be those who refuse to see Israel as anything other than a victim when as your post shows, it has been the aggressor for decades.

Quote AGAA4 Mon 22-Sept-25 15:02:57
Not everyone in Gaza is Hamas but Israel have killed 65000. A third of those being children. Are children Hamas.
Israel wants to rid Gaza of all Palestinians by all and any means. If you agree to the killing going on you agree to genocide.

The number of deaths ? you are quoting Hamas

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Not everyone in Gaza is Hamas but Israel have killed 65000. A third of those being children. Are children Hamas.
Israel wants to rid Gaza of all Palestinians by all and any means. If you agree to the killing going on you agree to genocide.

Only conditions for Israel, none for Hamas! Oh well, the hostages (remember them?) now have virtually no chance of release, Israel has no intention of allowing a hostile state on its doorstep and will actively encourage a continuation of the war. Israeli occupation of the West Bank will almost certainly continue afore and apace, why wouldn't they, who's to stop them? This ridiculous recognition of a place that doesn't exist will only serve to make Israel more militant, more aggressive. Oh and lose us 'eyes and ears' in the Middle East and beyond. Iran, Russia, China must be laughing themselves off their chairs at ours and others rank stupidity. Why would Israel take any notice of us in the West, and our pathetic governments? Why are we so arrogant as to think they might tremble with fear at what Yvette Cooper has to say.!! It's laughable and deeply embarrassing and shameful. The only country that has any sway over Israel is America, and, unlike us, they're not likely to betray them.

From wiki -

“During the foundational events of the Nakba in 1948, about half of Palestine's predominantly Arab population – around 750,000 people[19] – were expelled from their homes or made to flee through various violent means, at first by Zionist paramilitaries, and after the establishment of the State of Israel, by its military. Dozens of massacres targeted Palestinian Arabs, and over 500 Arab-majority towns, villages, and urban neighborhoods were depopulated.[20] Many of the settlements were either completely destroyed or repopulated by Jews and given new Hebrew names.[20][21] Israel employed biological warfare against Palestinians by poisoning village wells. By the end of the war, Israel controlled 78% of the land area of the former Mandatory Palestine. And no Palestinian who fled was given the right to return.”

Looks like what Netanyahu is doing has been on the agenda for decades. Perhaps he sees it as finishing off what should have been done in the beginning.
Quite frankly you could put any religion or colour of person in the shoes of Palestinians and the result would have been the same. I can’t think if anyone, certainly not Israelis, who would have put up with this kind of treatment, and all the other injustices over the past few decades, and not risen up at sone point.

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So the Palestinian State being recognised by the U.K. is the 1967 agreement, which includes Gaza and West Bank.

Good luck ever getting that back.

Oh I know exactly what Israel intends, but this puts their legal position regarding their actions on a much less secure position.

Israel will annex both the West Bank and destroy Gaza, by ethnically cleansing it of all its people who own the land.

They will have to answer in court.

No mention of Hamas losing its power, and no mention of the hostages , perhaps Netanyahu forced the hostages to leave Israel, he drove them in convoys to Gaza, Hamas promised to keep them as hostages .

Whitewavemark2

So the Palestinian State being recognised by the U.K. is the 1967 agreement, which includes Gaza and West Bank.

Good luck ever getting that back.

Relatives of the hostages see it as rewarding hamas who are celebrating and say it’s a victory for them! Well done Keir, yet another duff decision taken by you to placate the left wing of the Party.
And it’s meaningless in any real way in any case.

Chief Rabbi Mirvis has condemned the British government’s intention to recognise a Palestinian state next week as a “historic error”, describing it as “a reward for terrorism while the hostages remain in chains” – while the Board of Deputies has held a banner protest outside Parliament condemning the move.

The UK, alongside another of other Western countries, has expressed its intention to recognise a Palestinian state at a UN conference in New York on Monday. Two months ago the government abruptly shifted from the UK’s long-term policy, which was to recognise a Palestinian state at a later stage as part of a peace process between Israelis and Palestinians. It announced that unless Israel committed to a series of steps, recognition would be forthcoming. No such conditions were required of Hamas.

His name is Barghouti and I saw a video of him being taunted in prison
by Ben-Gvir. The Palestinians still talk of him. He is against Hamas.

The problem is who will lead this new state? The Palestinians still want someone who has been locked up in an Israeli jail for 23 years. I will try to find out more about him.

So the Palestinian State being recognised by the U.K. is the 1967 agreement, which includes Gaza and West Bank.

It isn’t about religion that is a man made construct to control the masses, is about men, power, and greed, which breeds inhumanity.

"It is the tying of religion and state together that causes the problem, where power is abused and faith becomes distorted"

This, of course, is what Christian Nationalism is all about in the US and it is incredibly destructive to social cohesion in a multi faith country like America. Frankly, I believe white supremacy is deeply embedded in this movement.

It's also linked to our misunderstanding of other religions. Many of the customs that certain groups have adopted do not have their roots in a particular religion, they have their roots in a patriarchal society which at different times in history have been used in most societies including our own.

Religion and faith are and have been a positive force since ancient times and you will never be able to remove it from humanities search for meaning.

It is the tying of religion and state together that causes the problem, where power is abused and faith becomes distorted.

The issue for Zionism is that it tied itself physically to a territory on which both Jews and Muslims has been living side by side for hundreds of years.

When the issue of land ownership is introduced then this is nothing to do with religion but everything to do with dominance and control.

Most Jews on this planet live outside the state of Israel and are not Zionists.

The UK has warned Israel not to take retaliatory action after Palestine being recognised as a state.
Israel have said they will annexe the west bank and will probably do this as they carry on their plan to remove all Palestinians from Gaza.

Yes you are right foxie48. It’s the way people use it to control the masses.

Mt61

I just think religion has some much to answer for, & not in a good way.

So much

I don't think its religion per se that's the problem it's the way the teachings and tenets are interpreted and used to create division and aid control.