Genocide is being committed in Gaza by Israel

As is Netanyahu.

Yes you are right - Starmer is really only worried about his own position?

ronib

I have to agree with Netanyahu that the UK is absurd.

The UK won't be bothered about what Netanyahu thinks.

I have to agree with Netanyahu that the UK is absurd.

Sinn Fein and ANC did not rape, did not sexually abuse little ones taken from their cribs. Did not lock families in rooms and set fire. Did not take hostages. Did not take dead bodies back
to their hideouts to prevent them being buried.

In fact I believe is anti semitic to insist that Jews have always been victims, and therefore not like the rest of the human race who have risen up when oppressed or become oppressors themselves.

Indeed lixy, Sinn Fein now have a part to play in mainstream politics, and of course Mandela leader of the ANC was famously released from prison and made leader of South Africa.

I can think of three previous Israeli PMs who were heavily involved in terrorism, Ben-Gurian, Shamir, and Begin. I think I'm correct in saying that none of them would have been able to visit Britain because they were wanted for murder but please correct me if you know different.

Maremia, there are many precedents - David Ben Gurion allied upon a Zionist group to ‘rise against England’ in the late 1930’s, Ariel Sharon led raids into the West Bank and Gaza in the 1950’s and for the Palestinians Yasser Arafat was the epitome of a ‘freedom fighter’.
If anyone who has fought for their convictions on either side is not to be allowed to negotiate then there will never be any hope of any kind of peace process.

Mmmmmm. Thanks.
Okay I remember, pos another thread, folk were worried that Hamas terrorists might be part of future negotiations, and they shouldn't be because of the killings and so on. And I agree.
But here we have an example of someone from Israel's own history, who was a terrorist but became Prime Minister.
There is a precedent. Gosh.

Maremia

Menachem Begin? I feel another google search coming on.

This -

“TERRORISM
The main terrorist groups were Irgun Zvai Leumi (National Military Organisation) - ultimately led by future Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin - and an even more militant organisation, Lohamey Heruth Israel (Fighters for the Freedom of Israel) or LHI.”

From a google search but there are many other pieces that will say the same thing.

I agree with you there, about everyone being able to see the whole discussion, but obv not everyone is happy with that. Off on another google search.

Menachem Begin? I feel another google search coming on.

Maremia

Are you permitted to rephrase your comment foxie, and repost?

Don't know but tbh I won't bother. fwiw I've never asked for anyone's post to be deleted, when I see something that I think is questionable I leave it as I think it's actually more effective to see what someone has posted rather than to see a deletion but clearly someone doesn't take that approach as two posts were deleted in quick succession! Anyway time to move on!

Babs03

Human beings tend to be predictable in how they will fight against oppression.

Agreed. This is how these terrorist/freedom fighter groups spring up.

Human beings tend to be predictable in how they will fight against oppression.

I believe that if the roles were reversed and an Israeli population were oppressed and treated like second class citizens in their own land land for decades by Palestinians that they would probably be troublesome as well.
Indeed when the Brits occupied what was then Palestine in the 1940s a Jewish group of terrorists would kill British soldiers and their families in a most heinous manner.
Menachem Begin was one such terrorist, though I imagine Israelis prefer to call him a freedom fighter.

What's the criteria for 'deletion'? I know it says guidelines and so on.

Are you permitted to rephrase your comment foxie, and repost?

Not talking about 'values' Oreo, talking about support for Israel, to keep it 'safe' in the future.

Wasn't Saudi Arabia one of the Abraham Accords nations? In a treaty with Israel?
Yes it does signify a shift away from Israeli support, no matter how anyone attempts to minimize it
The reason given, was to protect themselves against attack from Israel, after the Qatar bombings.
Netanyahu again, making Israel 'safe'.

Saudi Arabia, another bastion of good liberal values ( not).

On this thread foxie?

Maremia

Saudi Arabia is aligning itself with Pakistan.

Pakistan, that bastion of liberal values.
The fact is that Muslim countries will always align themselves with other Muslim countries.
It doesn’t signify anything.

Oooh, I've just had my first ever post deleted! Wow, wasn't expecting that. I think I must have touched a nerve, apologies if I did but I honestly didn't think it was an improper question to ask.