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Genocide is being committed in Gaza by Israel

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Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Sept-25 10:16:17

4 of the 5 conditions are fulfilled.

UN report.

Maremia Sun 21-Sept-25 09:28:21

Yes Babs, those poor folk being hounded out of their own homeland of Gaza, to make way for a western style, money spinning, super plaza, will soon be featuring on the many, many GN boat threads.

Anniebach Sun 21-Sept-25 09:23:30

UK Government awaits the ICJ ruling on genocide in Gaza

Babs03 Sun 21-Sept-25 09:15:54

Anniebach

Much being said about Starmer safeguarding seats for Labour MP’s who have high Muslim vote

Nonsense. For some time Starmer - whom I dislike btw - did absolutely nothing with regard to what Israel were doing, in fact going the other way and openly chastising any MPs who did critisize Israel stating in the HoC that they should instead consider what Hamas did on Oct 7th. At that time I remember at least one MP leaving as a result of his stance, and it was said it was because he had a Jewish Wife that he was so pro the actions being taken by Netanyahu.
Even know he will not officially recognise that genocide is taking place.
So if he wanted to secure the votes of Muslims he is taking a very roundabout way of doing it. Also most Muslims living in the UK would probably want Starmer to deal with burning political issues facing the country rather than fanning the flames with regard to small boats which results in overt Islamophobia.

Maremia Sun 21-Sept-25 09:13:11

Listen out today Annie, I haven't seen the script.

Maremia Sun 21-Sept-25 09:12:40

Any historians online today? What was the original 'promise ' made to all, when Israel was being established way back?
How 'legal' and 'binding' was that?

Anniebach Sun 21-Sept-25 09:11:44

Will there be a demand to release the hostages ?

Maremia Sun 21-Sept-25 09:10:10

Talking about 'extremists' in Israel, foxie, I think those violent Settlers on the West Bank were mentioned as one of the factors in declaring for a State of Palestine.

foxie48 Sun 21-Sept-25 09:07:47

"Oreo" but Netanyahu says he's destroying Hamas to keep Israelis safe but he's actually doing the opposite.

Maremia Sun 21-Sept-25 09:07:35

Didn't think the declaration would actually happen. Thought they might have managed to come to some sort of 'compromise'.
Qatar seems to be the place to ask for help with negotiations, as per that release by the Taliban. But Netanyahu has destroyed that avenue of hope, hasn't he. Do you get the impression he doesn't want to end the Genocide?

Anniebach Sun 21-Sept-25 09:06:54

Much being said about Starmer safeguarding seats for Labour MP’s who have high Muslim vote

Babs03 Sun 21-Sept-25 09:06:05

Glad that the government will recognise Palestine. Again will reiterate that this is nothing to do with Hamas and everything to do with what the Israeli government are doing without any pause to consider how other countries on the international stage are now disgusted by their ongoing behaviour, or to consider how many international laws they are breaking.

Oreo Sun 21-Sept-25 08:59:32

Of course that won’t happen foxie48 the people of Israel, not simply ‘extremists’ wouldn’t stand for it and they doubly wouldn’t stand for it after what Palestinians did on 7th Oct 23.
The UK recognising a Palestinian State is just Starmer caving to the left of the Party as he caves to anything that puts pressure on him.The UK could have recognised it last year if they felt strongly about it or five years ago for that matter.It’s only symbolic in any case as it doesn’t meet the criteria for being a State.
Yes Israel can be a dangerous place for Jews to live but it’s theirs and they won’t be part of a diaspora.It’s dangerous because Palestinians and their supporters and various terrorist groups won’t leave them alone.

Anniebach Sun 21-Sept-25 08:51:58

1948 5 Arab countries declared war on Israel following murder of two-thirds of Europe’s Jewish population

foxie48 Sun 21-Sept-25 08:39:26

There was an interesting piece in Haaretz yesterday that made a strong case for creating one state out of Israel, Gaza and the west Bank, giving Jews and Arabs equal rights and giving it a name which recognised it as a state that was neither Israel nor Palestine. It wouldn't happen of course, too many extremists on both sides. Written by an orthodox American Jew who's a regular visitor and commentator on Israeli life and politics he made the point that Israel, which was supposed to be a place of safety for Jews, is actually the most dangerous place to live, Jews are safer living in the diaspora and the war is making Israeli Jews less safe in the future.

Anniebach Sun 21-Sept-25 08:29:22

Will there be sanctions

Smileless2012 Sun 21-Sept-25 08:16:33

The UK's decision to recognise the State of Palestine is good news. It is not rewarding Hamas, it is recognising the right of the Palestinian people to exist.

Wyllow3 Sun 21-Sept-25 08:12:03

Whitewavemark2

Of course it is very unlikely to happen as Israel is acting as a pariah state, and will if at all possible continue with genocide or at the very least ethnic cleansing.

We are entering another very dark period in the worlds history.

Time for the ICC to get their act together. To call on not just Netanyahu, but 2/3 members of the cabinet.

Wyllow3 Sun 21-Sept-25 08:09:33

"The U.K. is to recognise the State of Palestine." 👏

Whitewavemark2 Sun 21-Sept-25 03:01:16

Of course it is very unlikely to happen as Israel is acting as a pariah state, and will if at all possible continue with genocide or at the very least ethnic cleansing.

We are entering another very dark period in the worlds history.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 21-Sept-25 02:58:18

Anniebach

Awarding Hamas, the elected government of the people. If the People choose for Hamas to continue running Gaza it will

They won’t of course, for obvious reasons, but the point of being a sovereign state with the right to self determination will mean that they can elect who they wish.

Just as the Israeli inexplicably have elected Netanyahu, Smotrich and Gvir.

Just as the Americans have elected Trump.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 21-Sept-25 02:54:54

With regard to the tunnels.

The Israeli have full knowledge of exactly where the tunnels are located.

They always have done.

Bombing is not about hoping to hit Hamas - the right target.

Bombing is about destroying everything that is Gaza including the people.

Gaza is being ethnically cleansed.

Anniebach Sun 21-Sept-25 02:01:07

Awarding Hamas, the elected government of the people. If the People choose for Hamas to continue running Gaza it will

Whitewavemark2 Sun 21-Sept-25 01:31:06

Recognition that Palestine is a state with the right to self-determination is an attempt to show Israel cannot simply annex land that the international court of justice has declared to be illegally occupied.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 21-Sept-25 01:28:40

The U.K. is to recognise the State of Palestine.

🇯🇴🇯🇴🇯🇴🇯🇴.

“Currently, the state of Palestine is recognised by more than 140 of the 193 member states of the UN.

Macron has led the current drive for recognition and if events go ahead as planned it will mean four of the five permanent members of the UN security council recognise Palestine next week. The US as the fifth UN security council member can continue to veto Palestine obtaining voting rights at the UN. It currently has speaking rights.

Other countries on the brink of recognising a Palestinian state are Canada, Australia, Belgium, Portugal, Luxembourg and New Zealand. They are likely to recognise it either immediately before or at a UN special conference on a two-state solution due to be held in New York on Monday, the day before the UN general assembly high-level week begins. One or two of these countries may make recognition conditional upon Hamas being disarmed.

Anniebach Sat 20-Sept-25 23:54:56

Wyllow you asking for a reference, you are the champion poster of references .

So distressing that the Hamas v Israel war can be used this way ,