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Genocide is being committed in Gaza by Israel

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Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Sept-25 10:16:17

4 of the 5 conditions are fulfilled.

UN report.

undines Thu 18-Sept-25 14:34:48

What happened to the Jews in the Second World War has nothing to do with this, for goodness sake. Since when did two wrongs make a right? And how many Jews actually want this genocide? I understand they have been out in the streets protesting. Zionism is an ideology and is distinct from the welfare of Israelis. There is absolutely no excuse, not the slightest, for this unbelievably vile thing that is going on, in front of the entire world, who is doing NOTHING. The concentration camps and the terrible cruelty towards Jews (and not only Jews, let's remember) was at least not discovered till the end of the war. But we all know about this. It's just unbelievable and shows the true state of our 'civilisation'.

Babs03 Thu 18-Sept-25 14:33:24

Ok Annie.

Anniebach Thu 18-Sept-25 14:32:23

So not true, 1948 Israeli becomes a State , the first and only country where
Jews can be/feel safe, 1948 5 Arab countries declared war on Israel, this is fact

Babs03 Thu 18-Sept-25 14:28:42

Then again there are some similarities with the current situation and what has happened to Jews historically but with Palestinians being massacred.

undines Thu 18-Sept-25 14:28:18

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Babs03 Thu 18-Sept-25 14:17:10

What happened to the Jews throughout history is terrible and I don’t think anyone will forget or dismiss this.
But this has no bearing on the present situation in Gaza which is all about politics, power, greed, and inhumanity, resulting in genocide.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 18-Sept-25 14:05:06

Grantanow

And we must never forget what was done to millions of innocent Jews by Nazi Germany and to present-day Israelis by Hamas, not to mention the persecution of the Jews in history by the Catholic church and Chrustian kings, the pogroms on Eastern Europe and the Soviets.

Absolutely. We rightly remember, and should always be vigilant

But of course this is about a government committing genocide, on an innocent population and that is why we should never forget what was done to the Jews - another innocent population.

To deny is to be complicit in the atrocities

Smileless2012 Thu 18-Sept-25 14:03:49

A history of being persecuted doesn't excuse becoming the ones who persecute.

Anniebach Thu 18-Sept-25 13:57:52

So true Grantanow, all those centuries of persecution of Jews must never be forgotten or dismissed

Grantanow Thu 18-Sept-25 13:53:44

And we must never forget what was done to millions of innocent Jews by Nazi Germany and to present-day Israelis by Hamas, not to mention the persecution of the Jews in history by the Catholic church and Chrustian kings, the pogroms on Eastern Europe and the Soviets.

Gfplux Thu 18-Sept-25 13:48:14

We must never forget what Israel has done to the innocent women and children of Gaza.

AGAA4 Thu 18-Sept-25 11:21:25

They will be put into concentration camps and Trump has said he will urge them to move out of Gaza.

It's so hard to watch this happening to a whole people by those who have wanted this land from the start.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 18-Sept-25 10:53:47

Heart breaking poem read by Benedict Cumberbatch given at the OVO in support of Gaza.

Smotrich has stated that it has been agreed between Israeli government and Trump to turn Gaza into a real-estate bonanza. This is theft on a massive scale.

What will happen to the Palestinians?

ronib Wed 17-Sept-25 19:36:17

Maremia according to the internet, Lebanon, Syria,Tunisia, Qatar and Yemen have all had some form of attack by Israel. Unlikely that it was random?

Maremia Wed 17-Sept-25 18:44:12

The four Arab countries in the Abraham Accords have supported Israel, ronib.
How many Arab countries has Israel attacked?

ronib Wed 17-Sept-25 18:04:18

Sunni v Shia?

Babs03 Wed 17-Sept-25 17:24:48

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_alliance

If you can be bothered to look at this you will see the Arab states that are allies to Israel and the US.
To suppose that all Arab states support Hamas is like thinking that all Catholic European countries supported the IRA.
Perhaps we should stop subscribing to stereotypes.
When Iran attacked Israel Arab states helped shoot down the missiles.
Not sure how they feel about things now though after Israel attacked Qatar.

ronib Wed 17-Sept-25 17:04:09

Arab countries have supported Hamas? Which Arab country has supported Israel?

Babs03 Wed 17-Sept-25 16:01:59

Makes it easier to support genocide of course if one considers that all Muslims are Hamas.

Babs03 Wed 17-Sept-25 16:00:15

ronib

Arab countries are Hamas??

No. They’re not. How on earth did you come to that conclusion, are you implying that all Muslims must be Hamas?

ronib Wed 17-Sept-25 15:53:27

Arab countries are Hamas??

Babs03 Wed 17-Sept-25 15:50:01

That was in reply to Annie

Babs03 Wed 17-Sept-25 15:46:18

Israel is in no more danger than any other country in the region, and probably a lot less due to a dome of iron, state of the art weapons, limitless funding from the US, nukes and one of the biggest armies in the ME.
The Hamas attack on Oct 7th was so shocking because it had never happened before, God knows why it did when Israel is
so hot on wall to wall security, but that is an investigation to take place another day.
Right now Arab countries are scrambling to protect their own civilians, not from Hamas but from Israel.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 17-Sept-25 15:39:20

Maremia

Israel is losing the support it once had, and all because of Netanyahu's genocidal actions.
Perhaps when and if he goes, that's up to the Israelis, international relations might improve.

They will never retrieve support to the level previously as trust will be completely lost.

It is an absolute tragedy.

Maremia Wed 17-Sept-25 15:37:07

Netanyahu is most likely safe, for as long as Trump is in power, but that is not forever.