Genocide is being committed in Gaza by Israel

I am getting very irritated by the argument that this is genocide. It closes down any further thinking or discussion.
Even if it was genocide, the fact is that Hamas will be taken out. It must be for peace to follow.

Quote Whitewavemark2 Wed 17-Sept-25 09:08:51
ronib
2 to 3 thousand Hamas soldiers in the north of Gaza are targeted by Netanyahu not civilians. Hamas has miles of underground tunnels in which to hide. This assault on Israel has been planned by Hamas for many years. Israel has no choice but to eradicate Hamas before the next stage of its war.
Tell that to the people living in Gaza city, who for whatever reason are unable to leave. Poverty, disability, too old etc finds them sitting targets.

Israelis are 88% apposed to this and the top military have already said that Netanyahu will never defeat Hamas.

88% you claim this is fact ?

My issue is that I don’t believe that Hamas will be eradicated even if the 2 to 3 thousand in the tunnels are killed. I think there seems to be a supply of Hamas from Qatar, Yemen?, and Iran. No country could agree to Hamas, as terrorists, remaining in Israel.

This isn't Israel eradicating Hamas ronib; this isn't a war this is Genocide.

ronib

2 to 3 thousand Hamas soldiers in the north of Gaza are targeted by Netanyahu not civilians. Hamas has miles of underground tunnels in which to hide. This assault on Israel has been planned by Hamas for many years. Israel has no choice but to eradicate Hamas before the next stage of its war.

Tell that to the people living in Gaza city, who for whatever reason are unable to leave. Poverty, disability, too old etc finds them sitting targets.

Israelis are 88% apposed to this and the top military have already said that Netanyahu will never defeat Hamas.

Very true ronib

The Arab countries may impose sanctions on Israel but nothing more they can do really.

2 to 3 thousand Hamas soldiers in the north of Gaza are targeted by Netanyahu not civilians. Hamas has miles of underground tunnels in which to hide. This assault on Israel has been planned by Hamas for many years. Israel has no choice but to eradicate Hamas before the next stage of its war.

Anniebach

1948 state of Israel, 1948, 5 Arab countries declared war on Israel

Can you explain what relevance that has on what's happening now 77 years later?

Maremia

It is such a pity that 'Israel' and not 'the Israeli Government' has been indicted.

Yes. The Knesset is made up of many small parties and Mr Netanyahu is leader of a tricky coalition. Most Israelis did not vote for his Likkud party and would distance themselves from the violence in Gaza.
However the call for the hostages to be returned is still a strong voice in Israel and that gives some support to the current action.
Yet again I will say that Hamas has sacrificed its own people by its arrogant intransigence and refusal to negotiate in good faith. But the Israeli government has broken faith too now, and is seemingly on a malicious path.

You keep posting that Annie but the reality is Israel still exists while Gaza and the Palestinians who live there are being systematically destroyed.

Anniebach

1948 state of Israel, 1948, 5 Arab countries declared war on Israel

And?

1948 state of Israel, 1948, 5 Arab countries declared war on Israel

They are! Statements of every Middle Eastern country, which previously had a relationship with Israel, all at the very least distancing themselves.

Italy, Spain, Holland and other European countries are either cutting relationships or cancelling defence contracts or refusing to import goods - particularly from the illegal settlers.

Meanwhile the little flotilla carrying such dangerous stuff as food and aid is getting larger and larger on the way to Gaza.

Israel has really pizzed in the chips by bombing Qatar, The entire Arab world will unite against them.

Soldiers invaded the Knesset demanding a ceasefire. They threw their medication onto the tables. Medication for mental health issues as a result of what they witness being done in Gaza.

Today I read documentation by an Israeli doctor who worked in one of the worst prisons in Israel, and witness to the torture and atrocities being carried out on Palestinians.

I haven’t posted it yet as I want to be sure of the facts. But it looks pretty reliable

There are many Israelis who are guilty and have been for decades.It wasn’t government who threw families off the land it was “settlers” My friends family witnessed his grandfather being murdered before the house was set on fire .The rest of the family had no option but to leave….it was that or spend decades locked up in Israeli jails as thousands have been…even children for throwing stones at soldiers or tanks?
Israel governments have ignored UN resolutions time after time.Their “final solution “ was to wipe out all Palestinians and claim the land as theirs!
Apparently their god promised it to them 5000 years ago.A strange concept …a god who is happy to see innocents killed because of a piece of land .

I do, but it doesn’t stop the killings.

What I fear is that Gaza will be completely flattened and it’s people will be made homeless and stateless. Israel will grab the land and Trump will add to his immense coffers by developing the strip for pleasure and settlement.

It is rewarding the murderers and land grabbers.

The only person who can stop this horror is Trump but I don't think he will. The Israeli government can only continue with US support and I don't think most Israeli's support this war. I think they did initially because they were angry but now, I think they realise where this war is taking Israel and it's a really bad place. What a terrible mess. There's lots of ways for people to help Gaza, please, if you have a bit of extra cash, do think about sending it to those charities that will be central to helping Gazans. They need our help.

But Gaza has suffered for the horrors committed by Hamas terrorists - indicted or not.
So it seems to me that many do indict Gazans for those horrors.

I agree Smileless. 👍

Smileless2012

I wouldn't indict Israel for Netanyahu's genocide anymore than I would indict Gaza for the horrors committed by Hamas.

Ditto

Smileless2012

I wouldn't indict Israel for Netanyahu's genocide anymore than I would indict Gaza for the horrors committed by Hamas.

Quite

I wouldn't indict Israel for Netanyahu's genocide anymore than I would indict Gaza for the horrors committed by Hamas.

Maremia

It is such a pity that 'Israel' and not 'the Israeli Government' has been indicted.

Yes, that label could now cause more problems.

The Nazi regime, Hitler, the SS, some of the Army and other collaborators were guilty of the Holocaust.
Not the German people as a whole.

It is the Israeli Government and some of the IDF and supporters who should have been named, not a whole country.

The entire situation is both horrific and tragic.

Netanyahu has treated his own people with contempt that Hamas have treated both the people of Gaza and the people of Israel.

This has to stop!