This is one of many reasons why so many people marched in London.

Oreo

Labour is fast losing its traditional support base to Reform.

If we're talking about the 'traditional support base' in terms of 'class' that might well be so. But over all, polling shows that Labour is losing more voters to the Greens and the Lib Dems than to Reform. It's the tories who are losing most voters to Reform.

Also, the young don't appear to be much interested in Reform. The greatest number of Reform voters are in the 50+ age group.

I think class exists but rather the labour party is beginning to represent a different group of people than they once did.

Labour is fast losing its traditional support base to Reform.

Yes I absolutely agree with that doodledog

Galaxy

There has just been some interesting analysis of labour party support by school type ( public and private) just recently, support was higher in those who had private schooling which is fairly surprising on many levels.

Why?

The idea that people who want a fairer society and equal opportunity for all must be horny-handed sons (or daughters) of toil is absurd and very dated. I don’t understand jibes about ‘champagne socialists’ and suggestions of hypocrisy towards Labour voters who aren’t on the breadline. The whole point of the Labour movement is to lift people out of poverty, so why is it surprising that not all supporters are impoverished? Choice of school is made by parents, not the children who attend, so unless private schools indoctrinate pupils into Conservative values (or those values are somehow hereditary) then why is it odd that some of those who attend have views that align with Labour?

It has long been the case that LP membership (not necessarily support) has been higher amongst graduates than those without degrees, yet the idea that it is (or should be) a ‘blue collar’ movement persists. It’s a very snobbish perspective.

Caleo I think Allira, that even more important than getting rid of nasty immigrants is preserving the integrity of our British justice.

Caleo are you saying that this man convicted in Egypt, should not be
deported to Egypt to serve his sentence and that that would preserve British Justice? If so what do you think is an appropriate alternative for him?

Allira You said: his terrorist activities not identified

Yes I did - I meant that they appear not to have been identified as nothing was done. Like you, I'm aware it wouldn't be difficult for the HO to get the facts. Sorry I wasn't very clear.

And apologies as I misread your post quotes as being your comment. I now realise Caleo mentioned "preservation of British Justice", not you.

Galaxy

There has just been some interesting analysis of labour party support by school type ( public and private) just recently, support was higher in those who had private schooling which is fairly surprising on many levels.

I think that may have been going on for some time.
There was a link I think, posted on GN about a year ago, saying something similar.
I am not sure for how long before that.

The whole classs thing of old, has been turned upside down and inside out for a while.
Most people do not realise.

Classes as such dont exist any more.
Far from it.

Hmmm ... how do you know that a poster does actually belong to a certain group? Why can't their own words be used without attaching them to some group?

Who knows they’re not?
Any more than who knows that all those attending the Unite the kingdom march were either far right or supported TR and what he stands for though that’s a frequent claim on any given thread even if it’s by a lot of individuals.
Or that all those who are concerned about the impact of increasing numbers of arrivals are frequently accused of racism.

Maybe because terms all those who . . . referring to others, occur so frequently. 😁

There has just been some interesting analysis of labour party support by school type ( public and private) just recently, support was higher in those who had private schooling which is fairly surprising on many levels.

growstuff

Cumbrianmale56

The problem is if you criticise mass immigration or dare to attend a peaceful march about it, you are automatically classed as far Right, a fascist or a bigot. It's all very well these mostly middle class anti racist protestors waving their Refugees Welcome banners and shouting Nazi scum at people, but they mostly live well away from asylum hotels and areas where young migrant men have been a problem.
Interesting fact the Left might be surprised by, there were some black and Asian people on the march last week. It shows that they're sick of unlimited immigration as well,

Some nice stereotyping here!

If people don't want to accept that the people who go on marches and wave St George flags are unintelligent, racist thugs, maybe they should also accept that not everybody who objects to anti-immigrant marches is a middle-class, muesli-munching vegan, woke "liberal" who has no idea what it's like living anywhere near immigrants.

There could be middle class people on the anti immigration marches, same as some of the pro immigrant counter protests contain working class people, but it does seem left wing protestors these days are mainly middle class. I saw one on the anti Trump march with a Socialist Worker banner who sounded like he went to Eton.

Mollygo

Cumbrianmale56

Some nice stereotyping here!

But Cm56 some GN threads always give excellent examples of stereotyping, though those doing it are unlikely to recognise/admit that’s what they are doing

Hmmm ... how do you know that a poster does actually belong to a certain group? Why can't their own words be used without attaching them to some group?

Cumbrianmale56

Some nice stereotyping here!

But Cm56 some GN threads always give excellent examples of stereotyping, though those doing it are unlikely to recognise/admit that’s what they are doing

Cumbrianmale56

The problem is if you criticise mass immigration or dare to attend a peaceful march about it, you are automatically classed as far Right, a fascist or a bigot. It's all very well these mostly middle class anti racist protestors waving their Refugees Welcome banners and shouting Nazi scum at people, but they mostly live well away from asylum hotels and areas where young migrant men have been a problem.
Interesting fact the Left might be surprised by, there were some black and Asian people on the march last week. It shows that they're sick of unlimited immigration as well,

Some nice stereotyping here!

If people don't want to accept that the people who go on marches and wave St George flags are unintelligent, racist thugs, maybe they should also accept that not everybody who objects to anti-immigrant marches is a middle-class, muesli-munching vegan, woke "liberal" who has no idea what it's like living anywhere near immigrants.

petra

nodramahere
The vast majority of those returnees are people who held a visa and over stayed.

Thanks for pointing that out. It should be relatively easy to find visa over-stayers, so I don't know why the systems haven't been put in place to find them.

I’m not advocating torture, but deciding that one person has to be protected from it, whilst being allowed to do it to others is puzzling.

Ref to post on first page
Yes I can’t see that he has any strong ties. But I’m not sure it will be fought on that tbh. I think it is more likely to be fought on the risk of torture, which is widespread in Egypt.

So are we saying that he should be allowed to stay here and torture vulnerable women (or is rape not a form of torture because it’s carried out against a woman) because he might be tortured if he’s returned to Egypt?

Or should that be won?
What I mean is soooo many people dont want illegal immigration[no, no one bother to argue that one again either].

nodramahere
The vast majority of those returnees are people who held a visa and over stayed.

Primrose53

Cumbrianmale56

The problem is if you criticise mass immigration or dare to attend a peaceful march about it, you are automatically classed as far Right, a fascist or a bigot. It's all very well these mostly middle class anti racist protestors waving their Refugees Welcome banners and shouting Nazi scum at people, but they mostly live well away from asylum hotels and areas where young migrant men have been a problem.
Interesting fact the Left might be surprised by, there were some black and Asian people on the march last week. It shows that they're sick of unlimited immigration as well,

Don’t let it worry you Cumbrianmale56 all the namecalling and same old tripe is absolutely meaningless. They know all their arguing is getting them nowhere, that’s why they do this. Trouble is they spit out the same old words that they mean nothing. They are scraping the barrel now.

I have said many times on here that people of all ethnicities object to the migrants coming here on boats when they have had to do it all legally. I watched a TV reporter in Leicester (probably the most multi cultural city in the UK) interviewing, Poles, Lithuanians, Congolese, Indians, West Indians and they all said it was unfair and we should stop letting them all in.

I think the argument is well and truly lost with the British public.

It is governments that are the problem.
Including lawyers.

Isn't it strange that the government say that they have deported 35k since they came to power? So how did they manage that ( and not just to France)
To deport so many without it seemingly going to human rights judges, then they just should carry on doing what they did. What's the problem?

Cumbrianmale56

The problem is if you criticise mass immigration or dare to attend a peaceful march about it, you are automatically classed as far Right, a fascist or a bigot. It's all very well these mostly middle class anti racist protestors waving their Refugees Welcome banners and shouting Nazi scum at people, but they mostly live well away from asylum hotels and areas where young migrant men have been a problem.
Interesting fact the Left might be surprised by, there were some black and Asian people on the march last week. It shows that they're sick of unlimited immigration as well,

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Madgran77

*Allira It shouldn't have been difficult for the HO to ask the Egyptian authorities for documented proof of his terrorist activities there*

I already knew all the info you gave re his well documented terrorist activities thanks

I'm still not clear what you think would be preserving Britiah Justice should look like in this particular case. Are you saying that the HO asking Egyptian authorities for documented proof would have preserved British Justice?

I already knew all the info you gave re his well documented terrorist activities thanks

You said: his terrorist activities not identifued

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Madgran77

*Allira It shouldn't have been difficult for the HO to ask the Egyptian authorities for documented proof of his terrorist activities there*

I already knew all the info you gave re his well documented terrorist activities thanks

I'm still not clear what you think would be preserving Britiah Justice should look like in this particular case. Are you saying that the HO asking Egyptian authorities for documented proof would have preserved British Justice?

It wasn't me who said anything about preserving British justice.

Allira It shouldn't have been difficult for the HO to ask the Egyptian authorities for documented proof of his terrorist activities there

I already knew all the info you gave re his well documented terrorist activities thanks

I'm still not clear what you think would be preserving Britiah Justice should look like in this particular case. Are you saying that the HO asking Egyptian authorities for documented proof would have preserved British Justice?