Why don’t we use the military re stop the boats?

Bea65

escaped

Why is 5 30 am lack of sleep time?
It's not as though it's 2 or 3 am?

…I sleep like a cat naps .. 1-3 hrs if lucky..

Thanks for comments …yes believe it’s a non starter But, this 1 in 1 out is like watching paint dry…

That's not nice for you.
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I agree, it is a shambles.

For all of those people directly and indirectly affected by 'immigration', decide which is the prime issue, is it housing is it education and so on, and target the local politicians, councillors who deal with the specific problem you want sorted first.
You will have a better chance of a local result tackling it from this angle.

Babs03

Obviously the asylum seeker crisis needs to be sorted out by the government. Not the military. But am wondering how many of those claiming they just can’t cope with this crisis anymore have personally been adversely affected by it?
I imagine very few have had run ins with asylum seekers or have them camping in their flower beds.
Would be interested to know how this crisis has impacted upon some people’s lives to the extent that they are so up in arms.

Don't forget to add in "White Flight" into the equation. A lot of British people have moved from their own areas to others here. Basically most of that will be because of not being able to afford "their own" level of housing in "their own" areas - but a lot of that can trace back to the "law of supply and demand" has pushed up house prices beyond accessible level for the level of housing we'd expected to have. I know I saw the first sign back in the 1970s of houses going up in price in real terms - so this has been a long time coming - but it has moved a lot of us out of our own areas (as the other choice was "lower level of housing than we were due to have - or no housing at all if at bottom of housing ladder").

So yep...there has been a lot of us affected - whether directly or indirectly.

Babs03

Obviously the asylum seeker crisis needs to be sorted out by the government. Not the military. But am wondering how many of those claiming they just can’t cope with this crisis anymore have personally been adversely affected by it?
I imagine very few have had run ins with asylum seekers or have them camping in their flower beds.
Would be interested to know how this crisis has impacted upon some people’s lives to the extent that they are so up in arms.

Yes, it has impacted us massively.

After years of moving around for my husbands job we returned to our home town 15 years ago.
We were very happy.

Sadly the area declined very rapidly, particularly in the past 5 years, lots of properties in the area were becoming HMO’s two hotels became immigrant hotels.

Our GP practice advertised appointments for immigrants no questions asked, these were double appointments!
Meanwhile local people could wait weeks for a telephone appointment.

The litter was appalling, we had a group in a nearby HMO partying in the street on NYE setting off fireworks in between parked cars.
I spent part of the next day collecting the litter and clearing all the smashed glass, they smashed each empty bottle!

As shops became empty Turkish barbers moved in, two restaurants became shisha bars.
I could go on and on.

We moved and thank goodness as the week we moved planning went in for massive HMO, it could potentially accommodate 80+ and this week another large property with an HMO licence for 45 has come up for sale.

We are far more relaxed in a new area, I would never live in a town or City again.

'Man's inhumanity to man' comes to mind!

escaped

Why is 5 30 am lack of sleep time?
It's not as though it's 2 or 3 am?

Bea65 posted at 5.30 but she could well have been awake for hours. Did that not occur to you??

We ay not have an empire any more, Cariad but we still have to cope with its legacy. And with later military involvement n countries which has left problems for some of their inhabitants, such as Afghanistan.

I don't think we can wash our hands of our past and say 'It's not our problem any more'

As to the 'small boats' , I, and others, have frequently pointed out that providing safe routes for refugees and asylum seekers, plus accepting the French offer (rejected by the tory governments) of processing facilities in France, would cut, probably radically, the demand for the 'service' offered by the people smuggling gangs. (Though I doubt that the French offer is available any more)

Under maritime law you are legally and morally obligated to take the vessel/ passengers to a place of safety.
This has confused us in the sailing community as Calais/ Boulogne are safe harbours.
One could argue that Dover is nearer but as the master of the rescuing vessel you make that decision.

Well Trump hasn’t stopped the immigrant problem has he as him and his family are still there !!!

Obviously the asylum seeker crisis needs to be sorted out by the government. Not the military. But am wondering how many of those claiming they just can’t cope with this crisis anymore have personally been adversely affected by it?
I imagine very few have had run ins with asylum seekers or have them camping in their flower beds.
Would be interested to know how this crisis has impacted upon some people’s lives to the extent that they are so up in arms.

escaped

Why is 5 30 am lack of sleep time?
It's not as though it's 2 or 3 am?

…I sleep like a cat naps .. 1-3 hrs if lucky..

Thanks for comments …yes believe it’s a non starter But, this 1 in 1 out is like watching paint dry…

Wyllow3

google:

"Yes, migrants continue to enter the US in September 2025, but current figures are significantly lower than previous peaks, potentially due to a combination of factors including the implementation of border restrictions, ongoing efforts to deport migrants, and increased processing of migrants by authorities.

The nature of entry has also shifted, with fewer attempting to cross illegally and more attempting to enter through legal channels like the CBP One app.

And the "crisis" is within the USA itself, isn't it? when you read what is happening, it's hard to call it anything else.

So the figures are significantly lower.

Now not a crisis?

I think what may be partly at root of many peoples feelings is a little assumption of "We're IT - us Brits....Britannia rules the waves" and that is why some are seeing this as our responsibility. Aka "colonial guilt".

It's certainly struck me just how much "We're Brits - we are IT" is an automatic way of thinking/assumption for many of us. From which - whether we realise it or no - we are thinking/feeling in a "white mans burden" sort of way - even if we don't realise it. Up to us to "save the world" and all that....

Errrrm....nope. We've not got an Empire any more....other countries that had one haven't now. That was the past. I'm probably far from the only one that is struggling to get my head round the new power alliances formed or forming round the world and realising that, as a country, we are rather "past history...harping on past glories" and we'd better start thinking of ourselves as equivalent to Scandinavia for instance (ie one of the more modern/better countries in the world - but no particular powerful role in things any more).

One quick way to get an icy feeling in one's stomach is to watch China, Russia, North Korea, Pakistan, the Arabic countries all basically working on/well on the way towards what we've long thought of at root deep down as "our place at the table". We aren't IT any more.....but at least the worlds problems arent "ours" any more. Budge up at the table Sweden - we're sitting here next to you now and you're more modern than we are - so you sit down first - that is basically where we're at now....we'll share your schnapps and smorgasbord with you.....

Luckygirl3

*What I don't understand is why our Border Force and our RNLI are helping them.*

It is deeply irritating when they refuse to stand by and watch people drown - what can they be thinking?

Watch that video I mention from BlackBeltBarrister - he details off quite clearly (and proves it) that we took over re some illegals when they were still in French waters - whilst the French sat there and did nowt. I expect that's not untypical. So it was the French who were prepared to "stand by" and not us....

google:

"Yes, migrants continue to enter the US in September 2025, but current figures are significantly lower than previous peaks, potentially due to a combination of factors including the implementation of border restrictions, ongoing efforts to deport migrants, and increased processing of migrants by authorities.

The nature of entry has also shifted, with fewer attempting to cross illegally and more attempting to enter through legal channels like the CBP One app.

And the "crisis" is within the USA itself, isn't it? when you read what is happening, it's hard to call it anything else.

Teazel2

Trump says he has managed to stop their immigration crisis though.

But he hasn't, that's the point.

Iam64

I’m sorry lumber pain stopped you sleeping Bea65.

Yet another angry, miserable and incorrect assumptions here. This notion that our politicians don’t care or want to stop “the illegals” is just wrong. If it wasn’t complicated and lacking in quick fixes the last and current governments would have waved a magic wand and done it

Accusing our Border Force of “acting biggest traitor to us” (cariad) is frankly worrying. As is the repeated suggestion the French should sink the boats

Trumps approach is brutal. Children are separated from parents. I don’t want state brutality but that doesn’t mean I don’t share concerns about unregulated arrivals.

I agree Iam 👏👏👏

What I don't understand is why our Border Force and our RNLI are helping them.

It is deeply irritating when they refuse to stand by and watch people drown - what can they be thinking?

keeping quiet 👍🏻

I’m sorry lumber pain stopped you sleeping Bea65.

Yet another angry, miserable and incorrect assumptions here. This notion that our politicians don’t care or want to stop “the illegals” is just wrong. If it wasn’t complicated and lacking in quick fixes the last and current governments would have waved a magic wand and done it

Accusing our Border Force of “acting biggest traitor to us” (cariad) is frankly worrying. As is the repeated suggestion the French should sink the boats

Trumps approach is brutal. Children are separated from parents. I don’t want state brutality but that doesn’t mean I don’t share concerns about unregulated arrivals.

Let's blame the French!
People who want the military brought in seek simple answers to complex questions.
The fact is the military are not there to engage in anything other than military activities- it isn't their job to sort out the mess other people have made.
What would you actually want them to do?

America has a land border , therefore a big wall and guards stops people
England has a big sea all around , kind of hard to build a wall
France needs to Co-operate
Britain has always attracted immigrants
America has decimated the native population and was glad of immigrants to help with that
Nothing is as simple as the USA makes out

...and neatly on cue....and the Black Belt Barrister has answered that point better than I could.

Yep....he really is a barrister.

He's just put up a new video on his "BlackBeltBarrister Off The Record" channel on YouTube with the heading "EXPOSED: WHO is HELPING Migrants?!".

He makes a very clear case in this for it is not the job of the British to deal with this - over to you France......

Basically in a nutshell - "The French are setting us up and we're falling for it".

The RNLI are there to deal with anyone who is at risk of drowning. Do we really just want human beings to drown for our own government’s incompetence?
What kind of country have we become.
Thank God the RNLI refuse to listen to those who have such knee jerk reaction.

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