Why don’t we use the military re stop the boats?

Oh Bea65, how on earth would that work?
I think this is lack of sleep and lumbar pain talking!

I hope you are feeling a bit better soon.

Am sorry Bea65 but it is a bit of a non starter.
Sleep deprivation is a horrible thing, I hope your lumbar pain eases off soon.

Trump says he has managed to stop their immigration crisis though.

I would say quite simply we do not have enough military to operate. Then if the boats. were turned back to France we would find we had broken some sort of maritime agreement.

Policeman Plod couldn't make a worse job of it than the French gendarmerie, surely!

Why is 5 30 am lack of sleep time?
It's not as though it's 2 or 3 am?

Teazel2

Trump says he has managed to stop their immigration crisis though.

Yes.
I looked it up the other day.
Cant remember how he did it.
Something to do with tariffs and a reciprocal arrangement with Mexico?
Havent read it all properly yet.

Well at least he came up with an idea. Trump is a do-er. He will put his ideas into practice. We badly need Starmer and Mahmood to follow suit.

What a great idea, Trump is truly a genius. We could bring back coastal defences like in ‘39-45’, why oh why didn’t we think of it, come on Nigel get your brain into gear.

Then again , maybe it’s something to do with humanity, international law etc, those things that Trump and his ilk don’t seem to worry about. Any kids arriving can just be ripped away from their parents and put in cages, problem solved.

Why is it that, for every dirty, difficult job that nobody has the political will or the ability to do in this country, it’s “Why don’t we use the military?” Because, disgracefully few as they are now, they have better, more important things to do than stand on a beach turning back migrants!! Get real!

Bea65

Ok Trump suggested this …as after all we’re being invaded…actually I tend to think this is an ok idea….i see Trump’s logic here and for once in my life, I agree with this…am sick and fed up seeing people land here and get taken care of re housing/food/ etc etc…rant over…not slept..lumbar pain…

The OP has been shot down in flames for this one!
It’s not such a stupid idea, it was debated in the Commons in 2021, Operation Isotrope the use of military to counter migrant crossings.
Of course it never happened.

For some reason there is really no appetite to stop the influx of illegal migrants.

I fear we will we having the same discussions in a 5 years time.

Our once great country has been ruined, the politicians have allowed it to happen.

Sago

Bea65

Ok Trump suggested this …as after all we’re being invaded…actually I tend to think this is an ok idea….i see Trump’s logic here and for once in my life, I agree with this…am sick and fed up seeing people land here and get taken care of re housing/food/ etc etc…rant over…not slept..lumbar pain…

The OP has been shot down in flames for this one!
It’s not such a stupid idea, it was debated in the Commons in 2021, Operation Isotrope the use of military to counter migrant crossings.
Of course it never happened.

For some reason there is really no appetite to stop the influx of illegal migrants.

I fear we will we having the same discussions in a 5 years time.

Our once great country has been ruined, the politicians have allowed it to happen.

Yes exactly and the boats will keep on coming in the meantime. I doubt the UK will even be allowed to deport terrorists and rapists.

The OP has been shot down in flames for this one!
Good imagery, Sago!
Hear it a lot on GN from all directions.

Bea, there's too few servicemen as it is. The French get rid of a problem sending them to us no matter how unseaworthy and over full the craft. We are too weak to stop them. They come here because they get more money etc than the many countries they come through. It's silly,, for once start looking at the people we do have. Have a nil entrance policy until those we do have are processed. . Just slash the crafts before they leave but that's too simple.

In what way was our country ‘once great’? And in what way has it been ‘ruined’?

The military could be used the sink the boats mid channel but some might think that was inhumane, the solution is for the French to get their act together and stop the boats launching instead of watching them go

I believe no data provided by Mr Trump.
He fires people whose data disagrees with him, however solid.
He says that employment is up, there is no reduction in visitor numbers to the USA, and inflation is down.
None of this is true.
This is the man who was going to bring down medication costs by 1200%, you may recall.
Of course, his policy of arresting his citizens, visitors, and legal foreign workers might deter immigration.
I am not enthusiastic about that .

OK ... I supply you with a battalion of troops Bea ...

.... what exactly would you have them do? In detail please ...

fancythat

Teazel2

Trump says he has managed to stop their immigration crisis though.

Yes.
I looked it up the other day.
Cant remember how he did it.
Something to do with tariffs and a reciprocal arrangement with Mexico?
Havent read it all properly yet.

....and a darn big wall....

I think if the answer is to bring in the military, God help us, we need to deal with the question first.

David49

The military could be used the sink the boats mid channel but some might think that was inhumane, the solution is for the French to get their act together and stop the boats launching instead of watching them go

What I don't understand is why our Border Force and our RNLI are helping them. The smugglers business model seems to be absolutely based on "We'll (mis)use the Brits Border Force and RNLI to finish our job for us".

It is very frustrating watching this happening and feeling that all we can do to stop that misuse of OUR resources is to tell people to stop supporting the RNLI. I've gathered a noticeable number of people are no longer giving to the RNLI - but I don't know how much this is affecting their finances (as I gather they have plenty of money). The only person I know of that volunteers for them is doing it to boost her ego from what I can make out (as she makes a big thing of telling people how wonderful she is for doing this).

But I think our own Border Force are the ones that are acting biggest traitor to us from what it looks like to me. I don't know who is responsible for sending them off to do these "finish the people smugglers job off for them" and clearly has no loyalties to Britain then.

Goes off muttering "I wish other people were as capable of putting their foot down firmly as I would be in those positions....".

Our once great country has been ruined, the politicians have allowed it to happen.

With the help of lawyers.

And I assume, large donations of money from somewhere or other, or someone.

Maritime Law?

It is the duty of anyone on the sea to rescue souls when they are in danger of drowning due to their vessel being in trouble or any kind…