Islamophobia

fancythat What are you on about? People who follow Islam are Muslims, just as people who follow Christianity are Christians. People who don't follow Islam or Christianity aren't Muslims or Christians.

Whitewavemark2

fancythat

growstuff

fancythat

That's why irrational fear of Islam has its own word.

So you say, it is a fear of the religion. And not Muslims?

fwiw, I did start another thread.

I am pretty sure just about everyone has different meanings to the words Islamophobia and racist.
Both words mean different things to different people.

No, I didn't say that at all. Followers of Islam are Muslims, so it's the same thing.

Actually, not all followers of Islam are muslims either.

fancythat

So if a follower of Islam is not Muslim what are they?

Anything and any one can follow Islam.

Yes. Learning every day.

fancythat

growstuff

fancythat

That's why irrational fear of Islam has its own word.

So you say, it is a fear of the religion. And not Muslims?

fwiw, I did start another thread.

I am pretty sure just about everyone has different meanings to the words Islamophobia and racist.
Both words mean different things to different people.

No, I didn't say that at all. Followers of Islam are Muslims, so it's the same thing.

Actually, not all followers of Islam are muslims either.

fancythat

So if a follower of Islam is not Muslim what are they?

growstuff

fancythat

That's why irrational fear of Islam has its own word.

So you say, it is a fear of the religion. And not Muslims?

fwiw, I did start another thread.

I am pretty sure just about everyone has different meanings to the words Islamophobia and racist.
Both words mean different things to different people.

No, I didn't say that at all. Followers of Islam are Muslims, so it's the same thing.

Actually, not all followers of Islam are muslims either.

Is gaslighting also a form of bullying?

How about you and I discussing this more on the thread I started?

I am aware that this thread was started by Ww2.

growstuff

fancythat

That link suggests the word actually means hate against muslim people.

Which is a different thing to fearing the religion.

It does include hating Muslim people. Anybody who denies that is squirming out of confirming that hatred of Muslim people exists. Wasting time on semantics deflects from reality.

It does include hating Muslim people.

I will need to read the link better to see if that is indeed what the link says.

But as I said upthread, the hatred of muslims and the hatred of Islam are two entirely different things.

growstuff

fancythat

That's why irrational fear of Islam has its own word.

So you say, it is a fear of the religion. And not Muslims?

fwiw, I did start another thread.

I am pretty sure just about everyone has different meanings to the words Islamophobia and racist.
Both words mean different things to different people.

Are you denying discrimination against and hateful attitudes towards Muslims?

No

growstuff

fancythat

That's why irrational fear of Islam has its own word.

So you say, it is a fear of the religion. And not Muslims?

fwiw, I did start another thread.

I am pretty sure just about everyone has different meanings to the words Islamophobia and racist.
Both words mean different things to different people.

No, I didn't say that at all. Followers of Islam are Muslims, so it's the same thing.

But I thought you said, on another thread probably, that not all muslims practice Islam?

fancythat

^That's why irrational fear of Islam has its own word.^

So you say, it is a fear of the religion. And not Muslims?

fwiw, I did start another thread.

I am pretty sure just about everyone has different meanings to the words Islamophobia and racist.
Both words mean different things to different people.

Are you denying discrimination against and hateful attitudes towards Muslims?

fancythat

^That's why irrational fear of Islam has its own word.^

So you say, it is a fear of the religion. And not Muslims?

fwiw, I did start another thread.

I am pretty sure just about everyone has different meanings to the words Islamophobia and racist.
Both words mean different things to different people.

No, I didn't say that at all. Followers of Islam are Muslims, so it's the same thing.

Babs03

“It is not splendid when it becomes obsessional, its becomes a mental health issue and is worrying.”

Rather nasty dig there Teazel2. Whitewavemark isn’t obsessional and I wouldn’t say that anyone who becomes singularly absorbed by the evils in society and how to combat them has mental health problems. I heartily wish there were more like this in our society today rather than those seeking to spread hatred and division.

It was more than a nasty dig - it was blatant gaslighting.

fancythat

That link suggests the word actually means hate against muslim people.

Which is a different thing to fearing the religion.

It does include hating Muslim people. Anybody who denies that is squirming out of confirming that hatred of Muslim people exists. Wasting time on semantics deflects from reality.

“It is not splendid when it becomes obsessional, its becomes a mental health issue and is worrying.”

Rather nasty dig there Teazel2. Whitewavemark isn’t obsessional and I wouldn’t say that anyone who becomes singularly absorbed by the evils in society and how to combat them has mental health problems. I heartily wish there were more like this in our society today rather than those seeking to spread hatred and division.

That link suggests the word actually means hate against muslim people.

Which is a different thing to fearing the religion.

From a Labour peer:

www.politicshome.com/news/article/blue-labour-founder-urges-keir-starmer-drop-islamophobia-law

That's why irrational fear of Islam has its own word.

So you say, it is a fear of the religion. And not Muslims?

fwiw, I did start another thread.

I am pretty sure just about everyone has different meanings to the words Islamophobia and racist.
Both words mean different things to different people.

Thanks. I have opened the link now so you are right. Should have looked it up before posting but I'm not myself today. Don't know who I am.

Teazel2

Babs03

@Teazel2

“Trying to find racism seems to occupy 99% of your thoughts!”

Which is absolutely splendid. Fighting racism which is a highly pernicious and damaging evil in our society is admirable, no?
Tbh most threads that I see are about the small boats crisis with some suggesting the RNLI stand by whilst people - some of them children - drown. This is the first I have seen about Islamophobia.

It is not splendid when it becomes obsessional, its becomes a mental health issue and is worrying.

Worrying to whom? This looks like a classic attempt at gaslighting by you, which really is a mental health issue.

Maremia

Before that AGAA4, in 1923 from a similar French word.

Yes! That's what Google reckons:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia

Babs03

@Teazel2

“Trying to find racism seems to occupy 99% of your thoughts!”

Which is absolutely splendid. Fighting racism which is a highly pernicious and damaging evil in our society is admirable, no?
Tbh most threads that I see are about the small boats crisis with some suggesting the RNLI stand by whilst people - some of them children - drown. This is the first I have seen about Islamophobia.

It is not splendid when it becomes obsessional, its becomes a mental health issue and is worrying.

AGAA4

Maremia

Before that AGAA4, in 1923 from a similar French word.

Thanks. It was just a thought. 🤔

Aha! I'll look it up.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Babs03

Most racism stems from ignorance/fear so am not sure why when it comes to Muslims the word ‘phobia’ is used but not with regard to other groups.
I think it can be unhelpful and that we should refer to racism or something rooted in racism rather than using other words that can muddy the waters.

Wrong end of the stick.
Phobia is not being used against Muslims Babs03 Labour are bringing in the term Islamophobia!

It’s NOT Muslim-ophobia as I already said, up thread.

Nothing to do with Labour! Where on earth did you get that idea from?

Maybe you could explain in your own words the difference between Muslims and Islam - yes, we all know that Muslims are the followers of Islam.

As I have explained, words don't necessarily mean the same as the sum of their component parts. In today's world and context, Islamophobia is understood to be a hatred (possibly caused by ignorance/fear) of Islam and its followers (Muslims).

Maremia

Before that AGAA4, in 1923 from a similar French word.

Thanks. It was just a thought. 🤔