Trumpy Trumps no holds barred address to the UN.

Allira

StripeyGran

If there are people in the hotels with cookery skills, why do they not let a group of them take over the cooking

I don't know. The same way they won't let people hold English classes, sewing groups, set up a creche, hold keep fit sessions or in any way show an ounce of initiative.

I didn't know that, StripeyGran.

I know there are volunteers who teach English but how can you stop people who want to use a bit of initiative holding keep fit sessions, organising a creche?

Because it will cost the tax payer even more money? Any group will need a suitable space to hold sessions and money needed for items used.
As for all the cooking that goes on in the rooms, not only a very real fire hazard but where do they get the money to buy food to cook every day? I don’t believe it’s chicken nuggets and chips every day in the hotel. We can’t provide the ethnic food all the different nationalities want and if they were allowed to use the hotel kitchen, quite apart from any rows that may erupt as various groups want the use of it at the same time, there are hygiene and insurance rules about hotel kitchens.

I understand that the eight minute slot by BBC Verify, taking Mr Trump's speech line by line and exposing the untruths, has been well received in the USA.

I wish there weren’t this immutable rule that they must not work.

That is the awful truth Gizzy48 everyone has the ‘blindfolded’ idea that every immigrant is a sex abuser or criminal of some kind who is just here to cheat us out of money. Which it so far from the truth of course any large number of people can have some bad uns’ within it but the vast majority are fleeing war and hunger and the dreadful results of it
They want to work, and pay taxes many have skills that we need doctors, dentists, opticians (you have to have money to get on the boats) but even without those skills the younger people could be a useful addition to our shores
Unfortunately because the approval or disapproval takes years it’s the building up of numbers that attract the fears of the general public and the wrath of the big mouthed Far Right racists ie Farage and Robinson it’s absolutely the beginnings of a Hitler World we founght so hard to stop

Ladyleftfieldlover

Replying to suelld.

If only!

Trump, Putin and NettanYahoo are three egotists who are indulging in willy-waving of the most destructive kind.

Each one has modelled himself on Adolf Hitler and it's God help the rest of us.

Luckily, Russia seems to have disregarded the news that she's a Paper Tiger, with just a laugh up her sleeve at Trump's idiocy.

A "Paper Tiger" with a still substantial nuclear arsenal shouldn't be prodded, Trump doesn't have a prerogative on over-reacting to insults.

Actually David 49 I think it’s high time he threatened Russia, somebody has to and only the US has the might to do it and expect results.
Putin has to be stopped.

I think he’s loosing his marbles this is not the way the President of the USA should behave.
He can say what he likes about Sadiq Khan that’s fair game and harmless, rubbishing Climate Change unacceptable, but threatening Russia is dangerous.

Well said foxie48, its s pity that the rest of the world has to tolerate this dreadful man.

The effects of trauma, poor diet and lack of hope plus bullying and abuse from staff extinguishes the spark pretty effectively.

The terror of seeing coaches pull up and wonder if they are for you to be sent to Rwanda.

StripeyGran

*If there are people in the hotels with cookery skills, why do they not let a group of them take over the cooking*

I don't know. The same way they won't let people hold English classes, sewing groups, set up a creche, hold keep fit sessions or in any way show an ounce of initiative.

I didn't know that, StripeyGran.

I know there are volunteers who teach English but how can you stop people who want to use a bit of initiative holding keep fit sessions, organising a creche?

Stripes Gran:
When the Bibby Stockholm was moored in Portland, a group called the Global Friendship Group organised quite a lot of activities for those men who could bring themselves to come off the barge and into Weymouth, including coastal walks, litter-picking (probably didn’t count as “work” as it was a social thing) and particularly language classes – this is where modern mobile phone technology comes in handy!

They told her it wasn’t all that social on the barge, they were crammed in like sardines with people they didn’t know to begin with, all different ages and nationalities and languages, and as it was a boat, it behaved like a boat when the weather was rough, which distressed some of them as they’d already had some traumatic experiences at sea. Also it was a fire trap as there was only one exit for 200 men unless they jumped into the sea.

I wish there weren’t this immutable rule that they must not work.

If you can, try to get to see the drama series Years and Years, with Emma Thompson, Russell Tovey and Rory Kinnear, on Netflix, Prime etc (you may have to pay). I think it may cause one or two people to look further into this whole issue.

He's a nut job - he has many of the indicators of serious mental illness. And yet people believe what he says ......... it is beyond credence.

Trumpety trumpety Trump! 🎺 If we all behaved at work as Trump does at work, the world would be a much worse place, full of conflict and hate!

Let’s get real and not even give him the platform or time off day to comment. He thrives on negative pushbacks any attention especially negative is good for him. The politicians are learning to just not play his game.

JenniferEccles

Gizzy48 the immigrants arriving on small boats or in the back of lorrys have entered our country illegally therefore they are illegal immigrants, and in the main economic migrants too.

What else would you call them?

There was no small boats crisis before Brexit. In a report on the small boat phenomenon by Prof Thom Brooks of Durham University, published in February he concluded the main factor behind the current problem was the government’s post-Brexit deal, and specifically its failure to reach a returns agreement with the EU, so that "unauthorised migrants" to the UK could be returned to the first safe EU country they had entered.

Before Brexit, there was just such an arrangement. But it expired once Britain left and the Conservative government put nothing in its place. In a report on the small boat phenomenon by Prof Thom Brooks of Durham University, published in February he found “no records of any individuals travelling by small boat to claim asylum in 2017 or before”.

This is what any government would have to try to sort out. This government has struck a new bargain with the EU. Will it be the magic to switch off the gangs immediately. No. But there is no government that can have such magic after Brexit and the Conservative deal. Unless you want, as some seem to on here and in the country, to treat these people as Hitler did the Jews. If so you know who to vote for. But don't expect the average member of the public, including those using their vote that way, to come out of such a choice anything other than worse off, much worse off, than they are now.

If there are people in the hotels with cookery skills, why do they not let a group of them take over the cooking

I don't know. The same way they won't let people hold English classes, sewing groups, set up a creche, hold keep fit sessions or in any way show an ounce of initiative.

www.cnn.com/2025/09/23/politics/fact-check-un-speech-claims-trump?cid=android_app
Some fact checking by CNN of the no holds barred speech. Here is a snippet of one of the downright lies from it.
China and wind power: Trump repeated his false claim that although China is the leading manufacturer of wind turbines, “they have very few wind farms” themselves. He added, “So why is it that they build them and they send them all over the world, but they barely use them? You know, they use coal, they use gas, they use almost anything, but they don’t like wind. But they sure as hell like selling the windmills.” In reality, China is the world leader in the generation of wind power and has massive wind farms onshore and offshore; it continues to install additional wind capacity much faster than the US.

My apologies, Allira.

He does imply that he’s invented words: I’m sure he said he was the first to say “groceries”! And some are strange typed words, remember Covfefe? Places, too – – and he said Obama had been “sedatious”.

*It was a BBC report, StripeyGran
Are you saying that the BBC is now stirring up hate?*

Will you please get off my case.

JE refered to some footage she had seen. I wrote about what I have seen with my own eyes.

Dorisdodar

You seriously believe someone went to Khan and asked for permission?

Oh, hahahahahahahaha

Sorry, JenniferEccles, but you are wrong. It’s not illegal to land on the shore, and their immediate action is to go to the authorities and apply for asylum.

If you think that’s illegal, just google it. Asylum seekers are not illegal. You asked what I’d call them. The answer is refugees or asylum seekers.

They’d be illegal if they just wandered off into the country but most of these don’t. If they had family here to care for them, they might get by, but if you bothered to look it up, you’d find they can’t claim any kind of benefits if they’re illegal, nor is it easy to get a job. And unlike people who live here, if they commit a serious offence their application will probably be dismissed and they’ll have to go.

You’re not entitled to anything if you’re genuinely illegal, and they wouldn’t get anything.

And you possibly don’t realise that the people who arrive on the boats are less than 50% of all asylum seekers. More than half come by plane with a visa – because visiting is legal – and overstay, either illegally (I’ve been told a lot of Australians do that, but I haven’t checked my facts so it might be wrong) or they apply for asylum. So “stopping the boats” – which will only happen if we can manage to stop the people-traffickers – will only halve the problem, and maybe we’ll just get more coming by plane and overstaying.

Maybe you think they’re living the life of Riley at your expense. I suspect you have no idea what they've been through to get here or what it’s really like for them while they’re waiting.

In case you think I don’t know either, I’ll admit my knowledge of the situation is second-hand, but it’s a very close second-hand: we had the Bibby Stockholm barge moored here in Dorset, and my daughter was very closely involved with a group offering support to those men who could bring themselves to come off the barge into town (many of them were too traumatised).

R3b3l

Let’s face it he was just saying what some of us of a certain age are thinking.

What age is that then? When does the cut off between decency and bigotry occur?

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Gizzy48 the immigrants arriving on small boats or in the back of lorrys have entered our country illegally therefore they are illegal immigrants, and in the main economic migrants too.

What else would you call them?

Gizzy48...Khan gave permission for it to be flown..