ID cards at long last

Just out of interest PaynesGrey, which bits of this do you most disagree with? (Apart from the proof reading howler).

www.gov.uk/government/publications/digital-id-scheme-explainer/digital-id-scheme-explainer

Johnson's comments are behind a DM paywall. I can see from the headline that he disagrees (as do I) but can you please precis why he disagrees.

keepingquiet

Molly10

Has anyone seen Boris Johnson's thoughts on this?

Why should anyone care what he thinks?

That wasn't the question but you gave a rather naive retort.

We live in a democratic society so everyone is allowed there opinion.

Whatever anyone's opinion of him as a person or a Prime Minister isn't relevant. He is a lively writer and anyone's take on his view would be interesting to hear.

It differs in thought to some on here.

To listen to many views is very important in view to changes whether that be past, present or possibly future Prime Ministers along with all.

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CariadAgain
This is not simply deliveries but also Uber. One official driver has the certificate and when he goes off duty it is passed onto another. I must admit I never check the photo with the driver as I just hop in on and the car moves off. Also, to be honest one bearded person looks like another to me. However I do try to have a lady driver if one is available.

CariadAgain

Sashasmum

My understanding of ID cards is mainly for employment, confirming that a person applying for a job is in the UK legally. I doubt that this would apply to most of us Grandnetters!

Thinks (do correct me if I'm wrong) one has to have an NI number to quote to get a job legitimately. Otherwise why are there so many illegals "taking over" Deliveroo jobs from the person who ostensibly applied for them deliberately.

Admits I do wonder just how many of that sort of job they are taking over in fact - as when one lives somewhere like remote West Wales (as I do) then you're probably doing a LOT of your shopping via Amazon (especially if you've not got a car). Cue for I'm receiving stuff very frequently from them - and I don't recall a non-British person delivering my goods ever until a few months back.....but now there's a noticeable chance that they won't be British (by which I mean English/Welsh/Scottish/Irish) and....it's a case of "What the heck do I care?" basically - but I do wonder why there's been such a change in the nationality of my deliverers just in the last few months and whether this means Amazon is maybe not too "meticulous" about making sure all its deliverers are legit.

I think it must be because of where you live. 90% of delivery drivers in North Wiltshire are foreign and have been ever since we moved here 10 years ago but I don’t imagine any of them are working illegally.

Molly10

Has anyone seen Boris Johnson's thoughts on this?

Why should anyone care what he thinks?

Has anyone seen Boris Johnson's thoughts on this?

Sashasmum

My understanding of ID cards is mainly for employment, confirming that a person applying for a job is in the UK legally. I doubt that this would apply to most of us Grandnetters!

Thinks (do correct me if I'm wrong) one has to have an NI number to quote to get a job legitimately. Otherwise why are there so many illegals "taking over" Deliveroo jobs from the person who ostensibly applied for them deliberately.

Admits I do wonder just how many of that sort of job they are taking over in fact - as when one lives somewhere like remote West Wales (as I do) then you're probably doing a LOT of your shopping via Amazon (especially if you've not got a car). Cue for I'm receiving stuff very frequently from them - and I don't recall a non-British person delivering my goods ever until a few months back.....but now there's a noticeable chance that they won't be British (by which I mean English/Welsh/Scottish/Irish) and....it's a case of "What the heck do I care?" basically - but I do wonder why there's been such a change in the nationality of my deliverers just in the last few months and whether this means Amazon is maybe not too "meticulous" about making sure all its deliverers are legit.

Shashasmum I can’t draw my state pension for a few years yet. So I work and still do apply for jobs. There are more out there in the uk at least, than you might think.

My understanding of ID cards is mainly for employment, confirming that a person applying for a job is in the UK legally. I doubt that this would apply to most of us Grandnetters!

growstuff

Actually yes, if you're not a UK state pensioner or dodn't hold an S1 form before Brexit. (That's why I wrote "many" and not "all".)

Indeed. And we are a dying breed!

growstuff

mokryna

I carried for a long time a carte de séjour. I had to keep it up to date even while living in Beijing, where there I carried a Chinese foreigners’ card and driving license. However, Brexit happened, and then I had to go through the rigmarole to become a French citizen, like all the other UK citizens, as although I wouldn’t have needed to if I was still married, I was an illegal? divorced citizen.
These days I carry two cards with my bank card, one for the medical services (plus private insurance) and the other a French identity card.
It doesn’t bother me to carry these cards, I don’t have the phone app though, through choice but I suppose it will be inevitable.
These cards stop people, who are not paying taxes claiming social services including some UK citizens, who have to travel back to the UK to be treated.

Ggggrrr! Many of those people travelling to the UK for medical treatment are doing so illegally. They should be paying in France.

These OAPs, I think, are under the government’s radar. They don’t fill in the French tax papers, which if they did, they would have to declare their UK pension and may have to pay French tax plus social charges. I know I do.

Allsorts

I have been informed by my family that ID cards a waste of time and money. More concerned about what KS not doing and this is a distraction away from what he is failing at.

The first part of your post is what many on Gransnet are also saying.
You make an interesting point with the second part of your post. That’s what many are saying too.

didn't*

Actually yes, if you're not a UK state pensioner or dodn't hold an S1 form before Brexit. (That's why I wrote "many" and not "all".)

growstuff

mokryna

I carried for a long time a carte de séjour. I had to keep it up to date even while living in Beijing, where there I carried a Chinese foreigners’ card and driving license. However, Brexit happened, and then I had to go through the rigmarole to become a French citizen, like all the other UK citizens, as although I wouldn’t have needed to if I was still married, I was an illegal? divorced citizen.
These days I carry two cards with my bank card, one for the medical services (plus private insurance) and the other a French identity card.
It doesn’t bother me to carry these cards, I don’t have the phone app though, through choice but I suppose it will be inevitable.
These cards stop people, who are not paying taxes claiming social services including some UK citizens, who have to travel back to the UK to be treated.

Ggggrrr! Many of those people travelling to the UK for medical treatment are doing so illegally. They should be paying in France.

Actually no. If you are a UK state pensioner and the holder of an S1 form you are entitled to treatment in the UK, which is your competent state. The UK also makes a payment to France for treatment there. It is a reciprocal arrangement for those of us who held S1 forms before Brexit.

Aely

I am a pensioner who pays tax, but I had never heard of Government Gateway before reading this thread!

You won't need it, unless you have other tax liabilities, such as self-employed income or more than £1000 a year in interest from savings.

If your tax is paid on a pension, it will be deducted at source, but you can check the payments are correct on Government Gateway.

I am a pensioner who pays tax, but I had never heard of Government Gateway before reading this thread!

mokryna

I carried for a long time a carte de séjour. I had to keep it up to date even while living in Beijing, where there I carried a Chinese foreigners’ card and driving license. However, Brexit happened, and then I had to go through the rigmarole to become a French citizen, like all the other UK citizens, as although I wouldn’t have needed to if I was still married, I was an illegal? divorced citizen.
These days I carry two cards with my bank card, one for the medical services (plus private insurance) and the other a French identity card.
It doesn’t bother me to carry these cards, I don’t have the phone app though, through choice but I suppose it will be inevitable.
These cards stop people, who are not paying taxes claiming social services including some UK citizens, who have to travel back to the UK to be treated.

Ggggrrr! Many of those people travelling to the UK for medical treatment are doing so illegally. They should be paying in France.

Mamie

I think the French Digital ID is to use one portal to secure access to the Service Public on France Connect.
Reading the UK Government pages it seems that is also the intention for the UK Digital ID access to the Government Gateway which will be required for people who are working.
Not quite sure why retired folk are getting so upset about it.

Government Gateway is currently used by retired people because it's needed to access National Insurance contributions, which affect state pension. Government Gateway is also needed for pensioners who pay income tax.

However, it's not clear yet who exactly will need the digital form. It could be that pensioners (and other non-working people) would still be allowed to access Government Gateway via a computer.

Until more details are known, it's not worth getting upset about anything. Unfortunately, that's how things work - people get upset about things which haven't even been proposed but somehow got added into the rumours as they do the rounds of social media.

I think the French Digital ID is to use one portal to secure access to the Service Public on France Connect.
Reading the UK Government pages it seems that is also the intention for the UK Digital ID access to the Government Gateway which will be required for people who are working.
Not quite sure why retired folk are getting so upset about it.

I carried for a long time a carte de séjour. I had to keep it up to date even while living in Beijing, where there I carried a Chinese foreigners’ card and driving license. However, Brexit happened, and then I had to go through the rigmarole to become a French citizen, like all the other UK citizens, as although I wouldn’t have needed to if I was still married, I was an illegal? divorced citizen.
These days I carry two cards with my bank card, one for the medical services (plus private insurance) and the other a French identity card.
It doesn’t bother me to carry these cards, I don’t have the phone app though, through choice but I suppose it will be inevitable.
These cards stop people, who are not paying taxes claiming social services including some UK citizens, who have to travel back to the UK to be treated.

Allsorts

I still have my old one, in the war babies had them. Little brown card, think I will use that.

I've got mine too. A bit shabby but still legible. I never saw it until I was clearing out Mum's house when she died. Of course, I have changed a bit in the 77 years since it was issued.

I use a computer (obviously). I have done since it was Windows 3.1 and even learnt to program a computer in the late 1960s. It's not a fear of or unwillingness to adopt new technology that stops me getting a Smart Phone.

My Nokia 1200 fits comfortably in my small hand, for a short telephone call or text message, anyway, until my hand cramps. It is only used on rare occasions, although always carried in the Nokia sized pocket in my handbag. It is for when it may be needed. £10 pretty much covers a year's usage. A smart phone is too large to hold comfortablyand does not fit in my bag. It also costs a darn site more than £10 a year.

If I want to listen to music while out, I use my MP3 player on which I have put my favourite music, from tape, vinyl and CD, via my computer. Mine. Always there. No streaming.

The optician and eye Clinic do their best but I still have sight problems with grainy vision. My brain can be slow at interpretating pictures. They are a hindrance, not a help to me. Dark print on a light background is easiest to see. Icons can be difficult.

I have enough difficulty hitting the correct keys on my laptop in spite of an RSA typing qualification. I cannot do things at all well using the touch pad on the laptop, let alone the fine control needed for a small screen. I get finger twitch.

My daughter has stopped handing me her phone to see a cute cat picture. She holds it up for me to look at. If I take her phone the picture is likely to disappear, along with the app used to view it. I can do funny things to sensitive electronic equipment. It was a darned nuisance when I was an electronics engineer! The Nokia just doesn't have the capacity to get upset with me. If I want to view an SMS, it doesn't suddenly flick to an obscure setting or think I want to turn it off.

Good post TerriBull.
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