Is the country ready for a Farage government?

MollyNew

A Reform UK government would be a complete disaster, they have no policies, just soundbites. Richard Tice was terrible on Question Time, he just interrupted anyone else who was speaking.

But put him in a debate with Ed Miliband and he'd wipe the floor with him. Tice eloquently says "Climate change is here so it's better to adapt to it rather than trying to control or reverse it". Here in the north-west the council is investing in reinforcing coastal sea defences and it's a much better use of taxpayers money than building two minuscule plants to suck carbon out of the atmosphere

Only have to look

Couldn't agree more. You only haven't look at Trump's government to see the future of the UK if Farage is elected. A lot can change till the next General 3lection.

Maybe Giles Watling would stand again.

windmill1

Are we prepared for a Fuhrer Farage government? That's a bit like asking "are women ready for a rapid regression to old-fashioned sexism or old-fashioned mysoginy".

I can imagine Farage and Co bringing in legislation to make us all become Trad Wives, as much favoured by the American Far Right........

What a load of nonsense

I don't know anything about the local Clacton Conservative Party, but if they can find themselves a solid, sane candidate for the next election (and they have time), it shouldn't be too difficult to to win the seat back from Farage. There must be somebody on the local council with a respected track record of doing things for Clacton - Farage has done nothing.

PaynesGrey

Instead of seeing Labour trying to placate Reform through policy, the best thing to do would be to get rid of FPTP and introduce PR using the Alternate Vote. Time for another referendum?

I have said before that Reform would do badly under AV as they are very few voters' second, third or even fourth choice.

The More in Common data shows that under AV, Reform would only win outright in four seats and by the slimmest of margins. Even in Ashfield (Anderson), Clacton (Farage), Boston and Skegness (Tice) they are they are only just over the winning line. Pochin is only polling 38%. Things are fairly even across the parties in Kruger’s East Wiltshire seat 26% Tory, 31% Reform. It remains to be seen how conservative Conservatives view his defection.

Far more people don’t want Reform in power than do.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if the Conservatives were to get their act together and find themselves a credible leader rather than the one they've got. At the moment they're heading towards annihilation as a political party. There are a number of alternative scenarios.

Instead of seeing Labour trying to placate Reform through policy, the best thing to do would be to get rid of FPTP and introduce PR using the Alternate Vote. Time for another referendum?

I have said before that Reform would do badly under AV as they are very few voters' second, third or even fourth choice.

The More in Common data shows that under AV, Reform would only win outright in four seats and by the slimmest of margins. Even in Ashfield (Anderson), Clacton (Farage), Boston and Skegness (Tice) they are they are only just over the winning line. Pochin is only polling 38%. Things are fairly even across the parties in Kruger’s East Wiltshire seat 26% Tory, 31% Reform. It remains to be seen how conservative Conservatives view his defection.

Far more people don’t want Reform in power than do.

Are we prepared for a Fuhrer Farage government? That's a bit like asking "are women ready for a rapid regression to old-fashioned sexism or old-fashioned mysoginy".

I can imagine Farage and Co bringing in legislation to make us all become Trad Wives, as much favoured by the American Far Right........

Doodledog

DaisyAnneReturns

At times, people who are not in support of Reform will post to say so, and their posts are subjected to having one word singled out, or a turn of phrase ‘misunderstood’ and are asked to explain themselves over and over instead of a discussion of the topic in hand.

Exactly that on another thread. Rather like dealing with small children but such a waste of time. Perhaps we/I should remind ourselves/myself that talking to childish bullies is a waste of time. But I do keep wanting to give them the benefit of the doubt!

Possibly 😀

Without reference to the other thread about bullies, it’s difficult to tell though. I’m not deliberately misunderstanding, just a bit bewildered.

I sense a subtext being hinted at, but have no way of joining the dots, I’m afraid.

I agree about you keeping on posting Doodledog as you have a right to your opinion just as we all have.
I don’t understand the reference to bullies either, childish or otherwise and definitely haven’t seen anything like that.
I simply think that belittling and insulting anyone who’s thinking about voting for Reform at the next election is counterproductive (think Brexit) and the better way is to allow all their opinions, which may well change as time goes on anyway, there’s nearly four years still to go.

DaisyAnneReturns

Doodledog, it was just that I felt that summed the behavior up: that it does keep happening. Nothing more.

Thanks for clarifying. So much can get lost in translation on here, so if I have misinterpreted some of your posts I apologise.

Doodledog, it was just that I felt that summed the behavior up: that it does keep happening. Nothing more.

Here is an article that describes the whole debacle.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tories-brexit-small-boats-asylum-philp-b2751177.html

“Small boat crossings of the English Channel as a significant issue began in late 2018, following the end of the EU's returns system, which made returning migrants more difficult. While there were some early reports in the 2010s and before, the number of people attempting the crossing and the subsequent political focus increased substantially from that point onwards.”

So, Brexit caused the small boats problem inasmuch because before this the UK could return asylum seekers to the EU country they came from. Apparently the Tories only realised this after leaving the EU.
And now Farage - the mastermind of Brexit - is saying he can sort this out.
You really couldn’t write it.
🤨

Elegran

And like children, they expect the grownups to fix everything with their grownup magic wand. If it takes longer than immediately they drum their little heels on the floor in a strop and scream "I hate you! Go away!"

"I hate you! Go away!" and "How dare you tell me I'm being childish!"

“At times, people who are not in support of Reform will post to say so, and their posts are subjected to having one word singled out, or a turn of phrase ‘misunderstood’ and are asked to explain themselves over and over instead of a discussion of the topic in hand.”

Is called smoke and mirrors, deflecting attention away from the fact that they don’t have a valid or intelligent argument.

DaisyAnneReturns

^At times, people who are not in support of Reform will post to say so, and their posts are subjected to having one word singled out, or a turn of phrase ‘misunderstood’ and are asked to explain themselves over and over instead of a discussion of the topic in hand.^

Exactly that on another thread. Rather like dealing with small children but such a waste of time. Perhaps we/I should remind ourselves/myself that talking to childish bullies is a waste of time. But I do keep wanting to give them the benefit of the doubt!

Possibly 😀

Without reference to the other thread about bullies, it’s difficult to tell though. I’m not deliberately misunderstanding, just a bit bewildered.

I sense a subtext being hinted at, but have no way of joining the dots, I’m afraid.

Elegran, you are so right when you say it has taken many years to get into this mess and it will take time to get out of it.

And like children, they expect the grownups to fix everything with their grownup magic wand. If it takes longer than immediately they drum their little heels on the floor in a strop and scream "I hate you! Go away!"

Quote from Doodledog 29-Sept-25 12:02:07

At times, people who are not in support of Reform will post to say so, and their posts are subjected to having one word singled out, or a turn of phrase ‘misunderstood’ and are asked to explain themselves over and over instead of a discussion of the topic in hand.

Exactly that on another thread. Rather like dealing with small children but such a waste of time. Perhaps we/I should remind ourselves/myself that talking to childish bullies is a waste of time. But I do keep wanting to give them the benefit of the doubt!

My dad would too, Babs03.

Correction - turn in his grave

If my old dad could see how far right politics has moved, creeping inexorably towards fascism, and I don’t just mean here, he would turn in his grace after fighting against it in the 1940s.
He was the generation that did well under Attlee and a Keynesian economy.
If we want a better country that we can be proud of like my old dad was at the time we should be looking back to that political era instead of towards the kind darker days this country thought it had fought to eradicate.

The last paragraph on my last quote from Yusouf in that post should be read again by those who think that Starmer should have solved all the UK's problems by now, and that Farage will have everything OK at a stroke.

. "Addressing the problematic sums, he said: “They don’t add up on the basis that you implement everything in there on day one for arriving in Downing Street. That’s fair. But that was never going to be the plan.”" .

How long did it it take for the problems to accumulate to this current point? Why does anyone think that those tangled interconnecting threads can be fixed and running perfectly in one brief year? Even Reform admits that they can't.