Is the country ready for a Farage government?

He was proved right. All one has to do it read the article and substitute the name Farage. The same reasoning holds true.

Unfortunately reason didn't prevail then and I don't think it will prevail now.

Ref MT61's "I didn’t vote for them last time but just might next time round, just for the sheer hell of it", I have a friend who voted 'Leave' in 2016 'for a laugh'. He bitterly regretted doing it...

The above responses to Reform are probably another reason why they’ll win bigtime at the next election as they are the same as all the things the main political parties are desperately telling everyone.
If you sneer enough at the electorate they’ll give you a good hiding with their votes.
When the Conservatives and now Labour just can’t seem to say/do what people want they will turn to something else.

Oreo

The above responses to Reform are probably another reason why they’ll win bigtime at the next election as they are the same as all the things the main political parties are desperately telling everyone.
If you sneer enough at the electorate they’ll give you a good hiding with their votes.
When the Conservatives and now Labour just can’t seem to say/do what people want they will turn to something else.

How would you expect people to react towards those who seemingly have no idea what they'd be voting for, except it "couldn't be worse"?

Well don’t use insults for a start?

Which is what a few posters on this site do towards would be Reform voters and what Starmer is now doing by his speeches on it.Instead of labelling voters as racists which he’s more or less doing, I would prefer politicians to say what they themselves will do to counter immigration problems and to assure voters that it really will be done!

Oreo I admire your optimism. You have written my very thoughts.
However if Starmer is really rattled by the prospect of losing the next election to Reform, it might be the one way to restore some semblance of democracy into his authoritarian regime? He needs to start listening.

I admit that politics has become one shade of grey, the grey suits of the ruling elite, and nothing seems to change, the ordinary person loses out whilst those at the top celebrate their gains. So would understand if people were throwing in their lot with a party that promised to change the status quo with regard to this. Instead of faffing about voting for parties that are ‘the establishment’ despite saying otherwise. Trump is an ex business man chasing the dollar, Farage is a greedy publicity hound looking for a gravy train by holding onto Trumps shirt tails.
To think anyone’s lives will be made any better by them simply because they spout a racist narrative is just bizarre.
It isn’t illegal immigrants draining the coffers, or benefit scroungers, none can come near the ruling elite who benefit from a tickle up of money from the bottom of society to the top and if they paid their dues in taxes would be putting billions back in the coffers.
Don’t blame the powerless, blame the powerful.
And if anyone really wants change stop looking far right you are totally looking in the wrong direction.

growstuff

fancythat

If it is on their website, it must be back on. In my opinion.
Cant see how it could be anything other.

In that case the website and what Tice and Yusuf have said contradict each other. Do you trust people who say one thing and write another?

I barely know[or dont really] who Tice and Yusuf are. So whether they contradict each other, I dont know if it matters at this point or not.
I dont look very deep into things until I have to.

What exactly does looking far right mean?

People who vote “for the hell of it” are hardly thinking rationally of what’s best for the country, are they?

It’s hard not to think of and adapt Niemöller’s poem.

First they came for the migrants
And I did not speak out
Because I am not a migrant
Then they came for the LBGTQ community
And I did not speak out
Because I am not LBGTQ
Then they came for the disabled
And I did not speak out
Because I am not disabled
Then they came for the old and the women
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

That is what fascist governments do.

33,000 arrived by small boat since January this year, that isn’t a tiny number apart from all the years before that and the next few years.
All have to be housed and fed and given a small amount for extras.All will use NHS doctors and hospitals and dentists.
Is that a racist narrative? No it isn’t as it would still be the same if they were white Europeans.
That’s apart from legal immigration which is also out of control.Also apart from the thousands who have long lapsed visas and have no intention of ever going home.
It’s a huge mess.

Never seen that poem before on social media, at least not for a week.

(I’ve lived most of my life with governments I didn’t want), - Doodledog.

I am the opposite.
I often get which I want.
[I have been a floating voter since 1990].

Nobody is coming for the LBGTQ community in the UK, tho Labour are unfortunately threatening the disabled and the old.

I would like Labour to be pro-active regarding Reform as opposed to being reactive.

KS is so focused (obsessed) with Nigel
Farage he appears to have forgotten his pre-election promises and the parties manifesto.

As for Rachel Reeves, I have no words.

fancythat

growstuff

fancythat

If it is on their website, it must be back on. In my opinion.
Cant see how it could be anything other.

In that case the website and what Tice and Yusuf have said contradict each other. Do you trust people who say one thing and write another?

I barely know[or dont really] who Tice and Yusuf are. So whether they contradict each other, I dont know if it matters at this point or not.
I dont look very deep into things until I have to.

growstuff
I admire your fortitude to still engage with a poster who doesn’t even understand their own thinking.

Fancythat
You’ve been trying to fight your corner when now you tell us you know bugger all about the people you’re defending.
Hilarious 😂 Thanks for the laugh.

RR now says she is proud of what Labour has achieved economically in the last 15 months.

Oreo

Nobody is coming for the LBGTQ community in the UK, tho Labour are unfortunately threatening the disabled and the old.

Which Reform would do with a vengeance!

Sorry, but I'm elderly and poor (bottom 10% income & savings), but Labour haven't had anything like the effect Reform would have, if the NHS were privatised any more that it already is and public services were cut.

Only a not very bright turkey would vote for a Reform Christmas.

Oreo

33,000 arrived by small boat since January this year, that isn’t a tiny number apart from all the years before that and the next few years.
All have to be housed and fed and given a small amount for extras.All will use NHS doctors and hospitals and dentists.
Is that a racist narrative? No it isn’t as it would still be the same if they were white Europeans.
That’s apart from legal immigration which is also out of control.Also apart from the thousands who have long lapsed visas and have no intention of ever going home.
It’s a huge mess.

And do you suppose Farage can solve this??
With a racist narrative and hotch potch of ideas, admitting himself he is not politically savvy?
The Tories tried, Labour are trying, but until politicians stop beating the drum and start looking at solid relationships with European countries as we had when with the EU, so that legal routes can be taken by asylum seekers and offices in EU countries can deal with migrants before they arrive here, there is no chance of doing anything remotely sensible.

And there you go with the insults, honestly they’re counterproductive, if you or anyone else wants to win over someone who’s thinking of voting Reform then leave that last bit out.

My last post was to growstuff btw

Oreo

The above responses to Reform are probably another reason why they’ll win bigtime at the next election as they are the same as all the things the main political parties are desperately telling everyone.
If you sneer enough at the electorate they’ll give you a good hiding with their votes.
When the Conservatives and now Labour just can’t seem to say/do what people want they will turn to something else.

I wasn't sneering Oreo - I'm afraid. Born in Germany just after the war to a father who loved photography, we have an archive of what was left of that country and it's people. I do not want that type of government for us.

But then those who like to attack either misrepresented the post they reply to or they attack the writing rather than the content - as I have found.

If only you had something positive to say - and the wider "you" do insult posters, other politicians, anyone you feel is out of step with the march/rally you have decided to join.

The issue with When the Conservatives and now Labour just can’t seem to say/do what people want they will turn to something else., is the selfishness of that message. Democracy is not about the individual "getting what they want" it's about the best for all, a safe society with opportunity for all.

How can each of those intending to vote for Farage not be disappointed. You patently each cannot "get what you want" and it's really unlikely that many will - unless you can pay for all and everything on what will undoubtedly become a black market.

Perhaps Oreo you would care to explain then why Reform is so obsessed with removing Pride flags and mimicking Trump in his hated of diversity, equality and inclusion (DEI) policies. Reform’s election contract (albeit withdrawn by September 2024 but still up on its website) cleary stated Scrap all Diversity, Equality and Inclusion (DE&I) roles which Reform councils have sought to do.

Please explain why Pride flags and DEI policies are so offensive to Reform.

I have no idea if Farage can eventually stop the flow of small boats, depends how draconian he’s prepared to be, but it isn’t working with Labour and it wasn’t with the Conservatives so you can see why people may be prepared to give Reform a chance.
You also use the word racist again.It’s not helping your case.

PaynesGrey

Perhaps Oreo you would care to explain then why Reform is so obsessed with removing Pride flags and mimicking Trump in his hated of diversity, equality and inclusion (DEI) policies. Reform’s election contract (albeit withdrawn by September 2024 but still up on its website) cleary stated Scrap all Diversity, Equality and Inclusion (DE&I) roles which Reform councils have sought to do.

Please explain why Pride flags and DEI policies are so offensive to Reform.

Please explain?😄
I won’t be a Reform voter but on the flags issue I bet most people are sick and tired of all the Pride nonsense in the streets, including flags.