Is the country ready for a Farage government?

DaisyAnneReturns

nanna8

I guess if the Conservatives stopped brawling and undermining their perfectly good leader they might be able to revive a bit. The alternative is the great unknown, Farage, who may or may not turn out to be reasonable. Maybe if they ditched their leader the Labour Party might be ok but I can’t see it.

The remaining Conservatives, the ones left after Johnson's clear out of opposition in his own party, are rapidly actually becoming the Reform Party, so many of them are jumping ship. There have been more councillors recently I believe.

So Farage will give their local voters reasons why the now shouldn't vote Conservative but should vote Reform and thd poor saps of voters will think they are voting the current lot out only to find the same people back in again just under a different flag!

Talk about rats deserting a sinking ship! Not good, where are the politicians who genuinely want to help their country rather than themselves ? Not just talking about the uk, it seems to be all over the West and Oceania. Our lot are terrible and I believe New Zealand’s aren’t crash hot,either.

nanna8

I guess if the Conservatives stopped brawling and undermining their perfectly good leader they might be able to revive a bit. The alternative is the great unknown, Farage, who may or may not turn out to be reasonable. Maybe if they ditched their leader the Labour Party might be ok but I can’t see it.

The remaining Conservatives, the ones left after Johnson's clear out of opposition in his own party, are rapidly actually becoming the Reform Party, so many of them are jumping ship. There have been more councillors recently I believe.

So Farage will give their local voters reasons why the now shouldn't vote Conservative but should vote Reform and thd poor saps of voters will think they are voting the current lot out only to find the same people back in again just under a different flag!

You have to wonder why the increasingly unhinged Jenrick hasn’t defected, so it can only be that he thinks he can become Tory leader. Stride is too weak, Philp too stupid.

Having looked like a shoo-in last time until he make a last-minute tactical error, Cleverly must now think he’s in with a good chance. However, his Braintree seat will be a major Reform target because it contains the RAF Wethersfield asylum centre. Unless someone else emerges from the pack they may as well continue with the Trojan horse tactics and become the Reformatives.

Johnson destroyed the Conservatives because so many decent Conservative MP’s wouldn’t work under him and he threw another batch of them out of the party. Truss was then the final straw. Maybe instead of trying to become Reform they should have moved more to the centre right. Badenoch is useless. She said the other day that N Ireland voted to stay in the EU and then, in typical Badenoch style refused to admit that she was wrong. And now all they’re doing is promising to lower taxes. Again.

I don’t think you’re reading it how it is ‘nanna8*, Badenoch is on her way out, the media is doubtful she will survive until the next Tory conference, never mind four years until the election. The vultures are definitely circling.

I guess if the Conservatives stopped brawling and undermining their perfectly good leader they might be able to revive a bit. The alternative is the great unknown, Farage, who may or may not turn out to be reasonable. Maybe if they ditched their leader the Labour Party might be ok but I can’t see it.

Freya5

ViceVersa

Galaxy

I can't imagine why people wouldn't want to be part of a group who calls them clueless, it is an absolute mystery.

Well, put it this way, if I said what I really thought of Reform and anyone planning to vote for them, I'd be banned from here!

Well if I said what I really thought of Labour, and the voters who put them in power, I'd be banned too! How about that.

What makes you think I'm a Labour supporter?

Freya5

ViceVersa

Galaxy

I can't imagine why people wouldn't want to be part of a group who calls them clueless, it is an absolute mystery.

Well, put it this way, if I said what I really thought of Reform and anyone planning to vote for them, I'd be banned from here!

Well if I said what I really thought of Labour, and the voters who put them in power, I'd be banned too! How about that.

Me too! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

I live in Kent so not the news I want to hear.

Reform Kent Council to raise taxes after cost cutting plans falter.
Just adding this headline into the mix.

Labour us not anti-democratic Freya5. That doesn't mean they are right but it does mean they can be held to account.

Reform, a sub-section of MAGA and the sadly still called Republicans are anti-democratic.

No matter in what shape it comes, whether from the mouth of a king who seeks to bestride the people of his own nation and live by the fruit of their labor, or from one race of men as an apology for enslaving another race, it is the same tyrannical principle

It's worth remembering that although your Leader currently spouts about another race tyranny eventually encompasses us all.

Doodledog Mon 06-Oct-25 08:08:54
Sorry, but what is the ‘it’ to which you refer?

Doodledog- I am not sure if your question is meant is directed at me or someone else?

ViceVersa

Galaxy

I can't imagine why people wouldn't want to be part of a group who calls them clueless, it is an absolute mystery.

Well, put it this way, if I said what I really thought of Reform and anyone planning to vote for them, I'd be banned from here!

Well if I said what I really thought of Labour, and the voters who put them in power, I'd be banned too! How about that.

Sorry, but what is the ‘it’ to which you refer?

DaisyAnneReturns Sun 05-Oct-25 19:19:49
Thatcher went on to turn things round, totally command her party won a further 2 GEs. (sundowngirl)

'Winning General Elections in not proof that anyone "turned things around". In this case it was proof (rather like Brexit) that people didn't have in depth economic knowledge or, in some cases, any economic knowledge at all. I recommend you watch the video I posted on this thread. www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1352280-Why-the-UKs-Economy-is-Awful".

She was unpopular in her own party and low in the opinion the polls at the time of September 1981 conference. The media, her rivals and opponents opined she'd be gone by Christmas 1981. History absolutely proves she went on to prove that opinion wrong, stayed in her leadership role and won 2 further GEs....

I found that article a bit confusing; couldn’t really work out which bit applied to Starmer?

Casdon

When did Starmer say he was going to deport 150,000 a year Primrose53?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c708g5x2yqzo

It doesn’t mention KS by name but I heard it on TV this morning.

Casdon

When did Starmer say he was going to deport 150,000 a year Primrose53?

This is all I can find recently about Starmer and immigration
“Sir Keir Starmer wants to change how international law is interpreted, to stop unsuccessful asylum seekers blocking their deportation on the grounds they could be sent to worse prisons or healthcare systems.
The prime minister told the BBC he did not want to "tear down" human rights laws, but is ready to look again at article three of the European Convention on Human Rights, which protects against torture and degrading treatment.
The prime minister said mass migration in recent years meant there needed to be a change, but those genuinely fleeing persecution should still be given asylum.
His comments came after his home secretary set out plans to tighten rules for migrants seeking indefinite leave to remain”.
It was from BBC website. I assume it was something he would have been discussing in Denmark before he had to fly home urgently.

Thatcher went on to turn things round, totally command her party won a further 2 GEs. (sundowngirl)

Winning General Elections in not proof that anyone "turned things around". In this case it was proof (rather like Brexit) that people didn't have in depth economic knowledge or, in some cases, any economic knowledge at all. I recommend you watch the video I posted on this thread. www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1352280-Why-the-UKs-Economy-is-Awful

When did Starmer say he was going to deport 150,000 a year Primrose53?

Primrose53

sundowngirl

Lemonjam - Thatcher went on to turn things round, totally command her party won a further 2 GEs.

Starmer is no Margaret Thatcher. He is too weak and changes with the wind. I can't imagine Keir Starmer ever saying 'this man is not for turning" and sticking to his guns

sundowngirl his latest claim is that he is going to deport 150,000 illegal immigrants. What a joke!

Badenoch also said she was going to deport 150,000 a year. Is there something about the number 150,000?

sundowngirl

Lemonjam - Thatcher went on to turn things round, totally command her party won a further 2 GEs.

Starmer is no Margaret Thatcher. He is too weak and changes with the wind. I can't imagine Keir Starmer ever saying 'this man is not for turning" and sticking to his guns

sundowngirl his latest claim is that he is going to deport 150,000 illegal immigrants. What a joke!

silverlining48

Watched Kemi Badenoch on tv this morning when she was interviewed by Laura Kuensberg. She didn’t stop talking, which made it hard for the interviewer to get a question in.

She seemed quite desperate. It was as though she'd been pre-programmed, whatever questions were asked. Usually, her arrogance is enough to carry her, but this morning she was completely out of her depth. She just carried on regurgitating the same stuff without letting Kuennsberg get a word in. She doesn't do detail and is no strategic thinker. I'd be surprised if she's ever had an original idea, so just can't cope when she's asked about almost any issue apart from a couple of pet ones, which I wouldn't trust her to stick to anyway.

Didn't Thatcher cause the poll tax riots? Hardly a recommendation.

sundowngirl

Lemonjam - Thatcher went on to turn things round, totally command her party won a further 2 GEs.

Starmer is no Margaret Thatcher. He is too weak and changes with the wind. I can't imagine Keir Starmer ever saying 'this man is not for turning" and sticking to his guns

In the end it was Thatcher's intransigence that led to her downfall. She wasn't reading the room and thought her way was the only way.
Starmer may seem weak in the short term but his ability to listen may make him survive in the long term.