Trump to run Gaza with … Blair.

Missing word - attack. The Israelis are attacking right now.

The Israeli Government on the aid flotilla to Palestine has just started...it's happening right now.

The only way forward is for Hamas to disband and disarm, and a civilian authority with the power to control security established
Both sides need to feel, secure and an Arab force from neighbouring countries paid for by the US sounds a very good, starting point to rebuild Gaza.

Elegran

^"Hamas are the only remnants of government there and since they have the hostages it’s them that Israel have to deal with."^ so Hamas are the ones who have to be convinced to agree to the ceasefire and to carry it into a lasting peace. If they are not onboard however lukewarm their enthusiasm is for it, they will forever claim in the future that they are still in a state of war.

If Hamas are to leave Palestine for the sake of peace, the IDF should also be required to leave, (Hamas are said to be considering making this a condition), and the planned administration should be completely non-military.

Agree with this. A militarised zone manned by the IDF will only cause flash points and ongoing sporadic conflicts, there need to be peacekeepers utilised with no skin in the game.

AGAA4

Hamas want peace and if they had been involved in the talks then there would have been more hope for peace.

I agree, and really hope that is a lesson the negotiators are learning now, to move the discussions forward quickly to a point of common ground where a deal can be struck. At least some progress is possible at the moment.

Hamas want peace and if they had been involved in the talks then there would have been more hope for peace.

"Hamas are the only remnants of government there and since they have the hostages it’s them that Israel have to deal with." so Hamas are the ones who have to be convinced to agree to the ceasefire and to carry it into a lasting peace. If they are not onboard however lukewarm their enthusiasm is for it, they will forever claim in the future that they are still in a state of war.

If Hamas are to leave Palestine for the sake of peace, the IDF should also be required to leave, (Hamas are said to be considering making this a condition), and the planned administration should be completely non-military.

It will be the Hamas leaders in Qatar who are considering this plan and it is they who should have been consulted when drawing it up.

But how can you possibly have a peace agreement without the two sides?

Hamas resides in Qatar - they could have been approached.

This can’t possibly succeed

What can they do, pull some Palestinians in from the street to include them in talks?!
And if they did you can bet your boots they would shout ‘Accept’!
Hamas are the only remnants of government there and since they have the hostages it’s them that Israel have to deal with.
The leaders of hamas know it’s over but the younger crazies on the ground, or rather in the tunnels may want to be martyred as they see it.

Anniebach

Quote foxie48 Wed 01-Oct-25 15:34:35
Anniebach I think Sinn Fein represented the views of the IRA, rather like Hamas has a political and a terrorist wing, not that the IRA actually thought of themselves a "terrorists" more "freedom fighters". Rather like Hamas in fact. FWIW, I am not indicating support for either the IRA or Hamas before I get jumped on, just stating what I believe to be their position.

Both wanted freedom for Northern Ireland, Hamas are not separate movements just one , the IRA bombed but didn’t rape , burn homes, sexually assault little ones or burn victims to death

The IRA was closely linked to Sinn Fein, Gerry Adams denied being part of the IRA but there is a huge amount of evidence that does not support that denial and supports he was active in the IRA since the 70's.
The IRA did not want to kill all English people but they were very willing to bomb English pubs full of English young people who had nothing to do with NI. They terrorised both Catholics and protestants in NI, shot women and killed children. I don't think comparisons between one terrorist act and another is a particularly good argument, all terrorist acts should be condemned.
If you do your homework you will know that Hamas was elected to power under the name "Change and Reform" and was supported by Netanyahu as a counterweight to Fatah.

Quite but it seems Hamas are asking for a definite withdrawal of IDF which Netanyahu doesn't want.
They are working on the plan and should know soon if they will accept if certain conditions are met.

Anniebach

Quote foxie48 Wed 01-Oct-25 15:34:35
Anniebach I think Sinn Fein represented the views of the IRA, rather like Hamas has a political and a terrorist wing, not that the IRA actually thought of themselves a "terrorists" more "freedom fighters". Rather like Hamas in fact. FWIW, I am not indicating support for either the IRA or Hamas before I get jumped on, just stating what I believe to be their position.

Both wanted freedom for Northern Ireland, Hamas are not separate movements just one , the IRA bombed but didn’t rape , burn homes, sexually assault little ones or burn victims to death

How can a peace plan be developed with only one side?

Quote Whitewavemark2 Wed 01-Oct-25 15:41:30
annie the point being that no one on the Palestinian side has been involved with the peace plan.

A peace plan is simply not possible with only one side drawing it up.

Hamas has stated it wants to kill all Jews.

IRA nor Sinn Fein ever declared they wanted to kill all English

Quote foxie48 Wed 01-Oct-25 15:34:35
Anniebach I think Sinn Fein represented the views of the IRA, rather like Hamas has a political and a terrorist wing, not that the IRA actually thought of themselves a "terrorists" more "freedom fighters". Rather like Hamas in fact. FWIW, I am not indicating support for either the IRA or Hamas before I get jumped on, just stating what I believe to be their position.

Both wanted freedom for Northern Ireland, Hamas are not separate movements just one , the IRA bombed but didn’t rape , burn homes, sexually assault little ones or burn victims to death

annie the point being that no one on the Palestinian side has been involved with the peace plan.

A peace plan is simply not possible with only one side drawing it up.

Anniebach I think Sinn Fein represented the views of the IRA, rather like Hamas has a political and a terrorist wing, not that the IRA actually thought of themselves a "terrorists" more "freedom fighters". Rather like Hamas in fact. FWIW, I am not indicating support for either the IRA or Hamas before I get jumped on, just stating what I believe to be their position.

Quote Whitewavemark2 Wed 01-Oct-25 15:00:04
Exactly that. Which is why I thought Blair’s involvement was so positive, as he brought the experience of GFA to the table.

It seems I was wrong.

Sinn Feinn was involved in the GFA. IRA terrorists were not involved

Hamas is leaning towards peace deal if Israel withdraw from Gaza.

Exactly that. Which is why I thought Blair’s involvement was so positive, as he brought the experience of GFA to the table.

It seems I was wrong.

Whitewavemark2

The major issue for me is that contrary to what I understood, Hamas has not been involved in the plan.

So I can’t see how it will work.

Like the GFA without Sinn Fein.

Whitewavemark2

My optimism lasted nearly a whole day😡😡

Yes, and I imagine Palestinians were even more hopeful that this would pan out.
😢

The plan is very one sided and I believe Netanyahu knew when he agreed to it the Hamas is unlikely to agree to hand over all the hostages, lay down all their weapons and quietly leave Gaza. They know that Israel will find them wherever they go and kill them so they will be no better off by accepting this offer.
It's a win/ win situation for Israel whatever Hamas decide.

My optimism lasted nearly a whole day😡😡

The point is that as well as not involving Hamas in the plan - this means that the Palestinians have not been consulted.

How on earth can you draw up a peace plan with just one side?