Trump to run Gaza with … Blair.

ronib

Hamas are not supposed to accept this plan surely? My thinking is that Israel will then give itself the green light to demolish the tunnels and reconfigure Gaza as it sees fit. With Trump’s approval….

My thought too. If Hamas don't accept the Isreali's seem to be given carte blanche to do what they want. I don't think the War Department's meeting yesterday with the Top Generals was without a coded message either.

The same Tony Blair who managed to get the Good Friday Agreement over the line?

It’s a last ditch plan and hamas can either accept or reject before the IDF close in on them.

And so presumably, Oreo can the hostages, the Palestinian people who have suffered so much already and yet more Israeli soldiers. The majority people of in Israel and Palestine want peace, Trump's "peace plan" looks increasingly like a get out for Trump and an agreement to let Israel continue to raze what is left of Gaza to the ground. I want to believe there's a possibility of peace but it's getting harder to imagine what that might look like!

Oreo

It’s being presented to hamas as an ultimatum, they can accept it and live or reject it and die.

And take the hostages with them?

DH thinks that it’s an act of diplomacy daring Iran and Qatar to continue to support Hamas when a peaceful solution has been offered. DH thinks that Qatar and Iran care about their reputations with the West whereas I doubt it very much.

It’s being presented to hamas as an ultimatum, they can accept it and live or reject it and die.

Whitewavemark2

The major issue for me is that contrary to what I understood, Hamas has not been involved in the plan.

So I can’t see how it will work.

Though not looked into it much, I too was wondering where Hamas was in all this.
Not much point people getting around a table, if Hamas not involved.

Hamas are not supposed to accept this plan surely? My thinking is that Israel will then give itself the green light to demolish the tunnels and reconfigure Gaza as it sees fit. With Trump’s approval….

The major issue for me is that contrary to what I understood, Hamas has not been involved in the plan.

So I can’t see how it will work.

Yes, Wwm2 I have also listened to it and what most don't seem to know is what Netanyahu said in his speech to the Israelis in Hebrew. ie IDF to stay in most of Gaza and a definite no to a two state solution, just to mention a couple of things that are likely to prevent Hamas from accepting the deal! Looks increasingly like a stitch up to me. Trump's deal is vague on a lot of important issues and Netanyahu was busy listing all the strategies that would enable him to keep his right wingers on side. It's beyond sad!

I will hope that some time in the future the Gazan people are able to self rule in Palestine. At the moment all they want is a chance to stay alive.

Netanyahu only has one more year before the elections and hopefully Israel will vote for a more moderate government. This extreme right wing government has done the country no good at all.

Just listened to TRIP on Gaza.

Oh dear - now feeling much less optimistic.

Let’s not put the cart before the horse , Palestinians will need a lot of help before self rule, statehood or anything else of that nature can unfold.
Getting what’s left of hamas on the ground to agree terms is the first thing.Their leaders, from the comfort of luxurious apartments in Qatar and elsewhere will want to agree to save themselves but the ones in Gaza City will hardly be able to bear the humiliation of giving up the hostages and leaving without a fight.

@Menopausalbitch

“The problem is these people can’t ’self rule’”

Oh dear, that old chestnut, let’s just consider a people who have been oppressed and kicked from pillar to post, not as a people who just need some time and space to consider their options with regard to governance, but as unable to self rule’.
The simple fact is that given the infrastructure and security needed to have their own state every human being would be able to figure out how to self rule.
We’ve been doing it for millennia.

Menopauselbitch

I would have thought Blair was to busy helping his son make billions from the proposed ID cards.

fullfact.org/technology/digital-id-euan-blair/

You might want to read this before you continue to repeat false information.

These people ! You mean Palestinians ?

Whitewavemark2

Lots of notes of caution and pessimism.

One Josh Paul - an American official, says that there are two fatal flaws in the plan.

The first - anything proposed will prioritise economic development over political development and Palestinian self-determination.
Economic success depends on Palestinian self-rule and the basic freedoms of movement and goods - it can’t succeed without that.
Second. Whatever the merits - it will be endorsed by Israel, who wil, then proceed to prevent their implementation by a death of a thousand cuts - making even the simplest objectives impossible.

The problem is these people can’t ’self rule’

I would have thought Blair was to busy helping his son make billions from the proposed ID cards.

AGAA4

Qatar, Egypt and Turkey are urging Hamas to accept Trump's plan. As they support Hamas they have some influence with them.

Let’s hope they succeed, I imagine one of those countries will take Hamas leaders etc., when offered an amnesty. But Hamas will be hesitant, they know that Mossad have a long reach and that fatal accidents can happen, even on someone else’s turf, several Iranian scientists working on the nuclear programme met with a similar end.
However, that’s the gamble they decided to take when taking up arms I suppose.

WWM

“Once the hostages are released the framework apparently looks shaky as to whether war will resume or not - WHAT😮!”

This is what I fear most, that having satisfied critics in Israel with regard to not caring about the release of the hostages, Bibi will go back to his bombing campaign claiming one reason or another for doing so.

Lots of notes of caution and pessimism.

One Josh Paul - an American official, says that there are two fatal flaws in the plan.

The first - anything proposed will prioritise economic development over political development and Palestinian self-determination.
Economic success depends on Palestinian self-rule and the basic freedoms of movement and goods - it can’t succeed without that.
Second. Whatever the merits - it will be endorsed by Israel, who wil, then proceed to prevent their implementation by a death of a thousand cuts - making even the simplest objectives impossible.

Qatar, Egypt and Turkey are urging Hamas to accept Trump's plan. As they support Hamas they have some influence with them.

Netanyahu has to persuade the far right of his government, - Smotrich has already rejected it completely.

Hamas has the words of “finish the job” ringing in their ears if they reject the plan, which whilst not meeting many of their demands does meet some of them - so it is a start, and likely to be the best they can get from the USA and Israel.

Israel will not annex or occupy Gaza, and thousands of Palestinians prisoners are to be released.

The UN is to resume full responsibility for all aid, and the Egyptian entrance is to be reopened.

No one will be forced to leave.

But - so far the framework doesn’t make clear when the IDF will leave Gaza, so the plan for Hamas to de-arm as part of the plan looks shaky to say the least.

Once the hostages are released the framework apparently looks shaky as to whether war will resume or not - WHAT😮!

Once peace has been established it is not decided who will run Gaza/Palestine once the two tier interim government has completed its work (I can’t see me living to see this quite frankly). Netanyahu flatly refuses to give any consideration to the favoured PA. But perhaps given the fact that this will be years into the future the Palestinians can be more relaxed about that?
Statehood is of course anathema to Netanyahu.

Trump gives