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Manchester Synagogue Attack

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ferry23 Thu 02-Oct-25 11:22:04

Thoughts with all those affected. Quietly attending their place of worship for prayer and reflection on this, the holiest day in the calendar for the Jewish community.

Despicable and disgusting.

Maremia Sun 05-Oct-25 17:15:07

Perhaps all posters should give up using judgemental adjectives?

Maremia Sun 05-Oct-25 17:13:23

Where do you click to find the guidelines?

Allira Sun 05-Oct-25 17:12:32

GrannyGravy13

StripeyGran posts do not get deleted unless they are against Gransnet guidelines.

Well, it was ok until Outcast called another poster bigoted and wrongheaded simply because they do not agree on a couple of points.

Anyway, I shan't be reporting, let it stand and posters can judge for themselves whether that remark is bigoted and wrong-headed in itself - or not as the case may be.

Maremia Sun 05-Oct-25 17:12:18

I get really confused about which posts and why. Opinions differ, surely that is allowed.
I must find and read these guidelines.
Outcast is expressing an opinion on words used in previous posts.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 05-Oct-25 17:12:03

Outcast52 there are numerous ways of protesting/supporting Gaza without the need to support Palestinian Action Group which has been proscribed as a terrorist group here in the U.K.

Those holding placards in support of PAG knew full well that they would be arrested.

Outcast52 Sun 05-Oct-25 17:08:27

StripeyGran

Your comment will be deleted soon Outcast

It doesn't fit in here.

I debated long and hard before posting but since I was responding specifically to some words in a post on this thread, words to which I objected, I don't see why you think it doesn't fit here.hmm

GrannyGravy13 Sun 05-Oct-25 17:07:00

StripeyGran posts do not get deleted unless they are against Gransnet guidelines.

StripeyGran Sun 05-Oct-25 17:02:44

Your comment will be deleted soon Outcast

It doesn't fit in here.

Outcast52 Sun 05-Oct-25 16:59:11

So anyone who wants to join a protest march objecting to what is happening to the Palestinian people in Gaza is part of a 'mob' in your mind, Oreo? And older people who see the danger in outlawing a protest organisation and hold up signs to that effect are just "silly"? For most of us, marches and signs are the only way we can stand up against the current atrocities in Gaza and protect free speech. I agree that it would have been more compassionate and sensible to postpone yesterday's march but the way you ridicule the sincere expressions of concern by many participants in these marches is just bigoted and wrong-headed.

Wyllow3 Sun 05-Oct-25 16:33:58

The information was very helpful FGT.
As regards what can and can’t be on the thread, it really isn’t up to any individual to define, because there are many relevant aspects, which to the poster who raises then IS significant.

It’s the tone of posting as regards respect for those suffering greatly that gives us our guidelines, as often mentioned.

ferry23 Sun 05-Oct-25 15:41:39

Grantanow

Did anyone read this appalling post reported from Facebook by the Jewish Chronicle?

www.thejc.com/news/uk/father-of-manchester-shul-attacker-posted-gushing-praise-for-hamas-terrorists-on-october-7-vdsk1lq0

Sadly yes. And quite possibly all the more distressing given his profession. I cannot see how he could possibly be impartial in treating patients.

Allira Sun 05-Oct-25 15:40:14

I think I referred to it earlier, can't be sure now, but yes, I read it. Appalling.

Being a doctor doesn't necessarily mean being a humanitarian.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 05-Oct-25 15:40:04

Grantanow it is in several other papers and even here in España

Grantanow Sun 05-Oct-25 15:36:33

Did anyone read this appalling post reported from Facebook by the Jewish Chronicle?

www.thejc.com/news/uk/father-of-manchester-shul-attacker-posted-gushing-praise-for-hamas-terrorists-on-october-7-vdsk1lq0

Rosie51 Sun 05-Oct-25 15:14:40

Another thank you from me ferry23 for your excellent post. 👏👏👏

Caleo what a vile post in contrast from you.

Allira Sun 05-Oct-25 15:06:38

Thank you for your very thoughtful post ferry33.

Oreo Sun 05-Oct-25 14:26:01

I’ve already been told by two posters that being Jewish doesn’t confer sainthood on this very thread.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Sun 05-Oct-25 14:23:04

Caleo 😱

ferry23 Sun 05-Oct-25 14:06:46

As far as I am aware Caleo, the attack on a synagogue was aimed at Jews not any of the other groups you mention. If you were sensible enough to take heed of the subject of the thread, you may not have exposed yourself as being so hideously rude, rather ignorant and particularly nasty.

Your sarcastic and offensive remark is best suited to either a playground or a hate rally.

I suggest you find your rightful place in one of them.

Galaxy Sun 05-Oct-25 14:00:07

I am incredibly incredibly naive, I apologise to any Jewish posters that I didn't understand what is going on. I can not believe what I am seeing.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 05-Oct-25 13:52:24

Caleo this is about an attack on a synagogue…

Caleo Sun 05-Oct-25 13:50:08

Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our Talk guidelines.

Oreo Sun 05-Oct-25 13:44:17

Excellent comments ferry23👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

ferry23 Sun 05-Oct-25 12:16:42

As the OP I'd like to step in here and give some context and clarity about Jews, their faith and other faiths.

If Jews are anything, they are resilient. They've been expelled from lands and excluded from society since biblical times but they still continue to contribute positively to society, are by nature peace loving, and almost always integrate seamlessly into whatever communities they settle in. They have to experience and listen to guarded and covert anti-semitism but still bounce back.

There's a whole history of interfaith co-operation including (in the UK alone) The Council of Christian and Jews: Children of Abraham (Imams and Rabbis): Faiths Forum for London: Three Faiths Forum: Nisa-Nashim (Jewish Muslim Women's Network) - to name but a few. There are many more both nationally and regional.

Our late Queen, and now King Charles have always included the Chief Rabbi (and other Rabbis) in their circle of "learned" advisors. The King, as Prince of Wales had a partciularly close relationship with the late Chief Rabbi Lord Jonathan Sacks.

Jewish leaders be they Rabbis or civilians have always been respectfully invited and have respectfully attended royal or state occasions on a Saturday, but do not enter a non-Jewish place of worship on that day. They do however stand outside.

Most Jews will tell you that at some time in their life, someone has said to them "Oh - I didn't realise you were Jewish" with surpise and almost incredulity, both singling them out as somehow "different" and expressing amazement that they are quite "normal".

The majority of Jews would like nothing more than to live in peace beside their neighbours, be they Arabs, Africans or any other denomination.

Yes of course we know that the actions of the Israeli government doesn't mean all Jews agree - just as not all British people don't agree with the actions of the British Government.

Jews are past masters at recognising anti-semitism in whatever form it takes. I was particularly disheartened that the marches went ahead yesterday with not a thought for those grieving and trying to come to terms with the loss of a loved one and the awful atrocity in Manchester.

I would respectfully suggest that whilst things are still very raw, some posters might wish to refrain from moving too far away from the original subject matter and bringing up wider and more contentious issues, so as not to cause upset and stir up emotions that have already been shaken to the core this week and may be particularly sensitive at this time.

Maremia Sun 05-Oct-25 12:08:14

Good advice Fried, about 'sharing unverified information'. That's one positive step in helping.