Manchester Synagogue Attack

Maremia

Yes ferry23, the murderous attack was 'despicable and disgusting', targeting people simply because of their beliefs and ethnicity.

Some Posters have alluded to being able to read reading 'anti-semitic' posts on threads. If so, deal with it yourself, if so moved, by pressing the red button. The admins will take down genuinely offensive material.

They have done just that, several times on threads about the war in Gaza.

ronib

I thought the Jewish people were promised land as part of the Balfour Declaration in 1917? foxie48

The declaration split the land between the Arabs and the Jews. Israel now occupies a much larger portion than was originally agreed in 1917

Whitewavemark2

Oreo

Appealing to the better nature of the pro Palestinian mob is a waste of time, they don’t have one.
Police and the Home Sec would be doing something more useful by either banning any marches for a week, with what happened at the synagogue and 7th October coming up or ramping up police presence massively.

And this is an example of an unbalanced and hysterical post.

Possibly you think that as you know that I’m Jewish?
If the pro Palestinian and Palestine Action and so on did have a better nature then they would heed what is being asked of them and give the police a break just now as they are needed to protect synagogues.

Grammaretto

I think these maniacs confuse being Jewish with being an Israeli follower of Netanyahu.

The attack was a violent, cruel act which doesn't help anyone.

I agree Grammaretto:

I would add that trying to send aid to Gaza should not be confused with being a supporter of Hamas.

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Yes ferry23, the murderous attack was 'despicable and disgusting', targeting people simply because of their beliefs and ethnicity.

Some Posters have alluded to being able to read reading 'anti-semitic' posts on threads. If so, deal with it yourself, if so moved, by pressing the red button. The admins will take down genuinely offensive material.

I thought the Jewish people were promised land as part of the Balfour Declaration in 1917? foxie48

Yes absolutely I think this was The Telegraphs fault.

Actually I do think it's possible to "generate" antisemitism, just as it's possible to generate Islamophobia, racism generally and all the other types of "othering" and stereotyping that occur, especially on social media. There's a reason that control of the media has always been used by authoritarian leaders to influence citizens. It's because it works!
Surely the marches in support of Palestine are only "provocative" to those who don't believe that the Palestinians should have a state of their own, despite this having been promised to them by the British government in 1917 as part of the Balfour Declaration?

Appealing to the better nature of the pro Palestinian mob is a waste of time, they don’t have one.
Police and the Home Sec would be doing something more useful by either banning any marches for a week, with what happened at the synagogue and 7th October coming up or ramping up police presence massively.

escaped 👍

I think you are spot on there escaped 👍🏻

Quote Grantanow Sat 04-Oct-25 08:53:30
We need legislation to enable the police to ban marches and assemblies purporting to support Palestine but in reality anti-Semitic. Violence against our Jewish communities is totally unacceptable and has to be stopped.

If stopped more protesters would hit the streets than now. We even have protests against a law , Palestine action

Yes of course and we have enabled it.
Evil most often comes under the cloak of compassion.

Quote Galaxy Sat 04-Oct-25 08:50:46
I don't care.
I don't want these conflicts fought out here.
And it might be worth thinking how we plan to keep Jews safe if that is the motivator.

They have fought out here since the first March

Laws exist already Grantanow.

We need legislation to enable the police to ban marches and assemblies purporting to support Palestine but in reality anti-Semitic. Violence against our Jewish communities is totally unacceptable and has to be stopped.

I don't care.
I don't want these conflicts fought out here.
And it might be worth thinking how we plan to keep Jews safe if that is the motivator.

Very true, WWM, made me aware it could be linked to this mans personal circumstances re what has been happening in Syria. We'll know more when more details of the people the attacker was apparently involved with and their computers and communications examined as well as the attackers state of mind.

I don't think you can generate antisemitism if it isn't already there, and the marches aren't necessarily doing that.

However, the marches are provocative and the behaviour often morphs into antisemitism, like their abusive chants. Earlier I mentioned that more of these marches will only incite more public disorder, and several posters agreed by requoting me. Allira is right that they whip up emotions, even if they are peaceful.

I did find it strange growstuff /sunami that you immediately jumped in asking me for links regarding incitement to murder, when that wasn't mentioned at all.

If antisemitism has risen as a result of the war in Gaza ( which I think it has), Islamophobia has also risen because of terrorism by groups like ISIS, Al Shabab etc. IMO this is because so many people fall into the trap of stereotyping whole communities on the basis of the behaviour of a minority.
These horrible events such bring communities together not be used to prop up prejudices and stereotyping but sadly it doesn't seem to. It damages us all.

sunami

Allira

sunami

Oreo

The marches have caused so much hatred towards Jews world wide.

Have they caused them or are they a symptom of hatred? There's a difference and you need to be able back up your claim.

Oreo says, The marches have caused so much hatred towards Jews world wide but you ask or are they a symptom of hatred?
If a symptom of hatred, as you suggest, then why are they allowed to take place at all, as surely that would be considered to be anti-semitic?

I thought they were protests about the war in Gaza and a plea for it to end.

If, as suggested the protests are a symptom of hatred, then that is anti-semitism, surely?
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The marches certainly have whipped up people's emotions and sadly we begin to see the results.

I really don't agree. I haven't been anywhere near any of the marches and they haven't influenced my thinking in any way.

It isn't logical to link marches against the Israeli government in Gaza with antisemitism. That assumes that the Israeli state represents all Jews worldwide. It doesn't even represent the views of all Jews in Israel, never mind all the ones in the US and elsewhere.

I am well aware that there are those on the marches who are antisemitic and/or anti Zionist, but that's not the aim of the marches. Banning the marches has implications for free speech. There is nothing wrong with expressing an opinion that the Israeli government's actions are wrong.

By the way, an assumption is being made that the motivation was Gaza. The Israeli government has been bombing Syria since December last year as part of its proxy war against Iran. As the perpetrator had Syrian origins, it could very well be that he was motivated by that. In any case, he was wrong to assume that British Jews are the same as the Israeli government, but unfortunately that's an easy mistake to make when the Israeli government itself claims to represent all Jews.

In fact, the thinking has even crept on to GN because posts criticising Netanyahu and the Israeli government are seen by some as antisemitic.

Such a balanced and sensible post

I am quite happy to quote the antisemitic posts that I have seen.
I will start with the one that said Starmer couldn't possibly be unbiased on this as his wife was Jewish.
I don't want this war playing out on the streets of this country.

Allira

sunami

Oreo

The marches have caused so much hatred towards Jews world wide.

Have they caused them or are they a symptom of hatred? There's a difference and you need to be able back up your claim.

Oreo says, The marches have caused so much hatred towards Jews world wide but you ask or are they a symptom of hatred?
If a symptom of hatred, as you suggest, then why are they allowed to take place at all, as surely that would be considered to be anti-semitic?

I thought they were protests about the war in Gaza and a plea for it to end.

If, as suggested the protests are a symptom of hatred, then that is anti-semitism, surely?
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The marches certainly have whipped up people's emotions and sadly we begin to see the results.

I really don't agree. I haven't been anywhere near any of the marches and they haven't influenced my thinking in any way.

It isn't logical to link marches against the Israeli government in Gaza with antisemitism. That assumes that the Israeli state represents all Jews worldwide. It doesn't even represent the views of all Jews in Israel, never mind all the ones in the US and elsewhere.

I am well aware that there are those on the marches who are antisemitic and/or anti Zionist, but that's not the aim of the marches. Banning the marches has implications for free speech. There is nothing wrong with expressing an opinion that the Israeli government's actions are wrong.

By the way, an assumption is being made that the motivation was Gaza. The Israeli government has been bombing Syria since December last year as part of its proxy war against Iran. As the perpetrator had Syrian origins, it could very well be that he was motivated by that. In any case, he was wrong to assume that British Jews are the same as the Israeli government, but unfortunately that's an easy mistake to make when the Israeli government itself claims to represent all Jews.

In fact, the thinking has even crept on to GN because posts criticising Netanyahu and the Israeli government are seen by some as antisemitic.

Wyllow3

yes but if you go into it your email address. comes up on their page to subscribe..I'd rather lets mods decide, how did they get my mail?

Fair enough - let them decide, but just saying it didn't happen to me, so I don't understand.

Shame because the article is interesting.