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And criminals in the Israeli Parliament, should also be brought to justice.

If there is any criminality it will be brought to justice.

Allira and ronib Look up Ben-Gvir and Smotrich and you will see the crimes they have committed. I think Ben-Gvir was jailed. Netanyahu is going through a fraud case.
Please don't equate our politicians with some of these.

Politicians around the world are very often charged with various offences.Some proven, others alleged.

Maremia

So, are standards of international decency allowed to drop with the excuse of war? Maybe they do for you.

Not at all.

I look forward to the Hamas Head Honchos hiding in Qatar along with those guilty of the atrocities of 7/10/2023 standing in the dock for their crimes.

It takes two sides to wage a war.

If and when any of the Israeli government stand trial I hope they are afforded the same clemency as those Hamas heads, free to move at will in Qatar…

Oreo

If there is any criminality it will be brought to justice.

They have already been charged and dealt with but I certainly wouldn't want anyone in our government who had been convicted of incitement to racism and incitement to violence.

Well that’s ok then AGAA4 as so far nobody in our government has been.

Ok for us not ok for the Israeli people many of whom want them out.

Oreo

Palestine Action supporters did do something wrong as you must surely know.They showed support for a proscribed terror action group.The police had no option but to detain them as many refused to give their details.The ones that did give their details were not detained.

Nope - they've not done anything wrong at all. They've exercised the long-held British right to "freedom of speech". What they were doing is working on getting our right to "freedom of speech" and demonstrating against things we disagree with back to normal. Surely you've not missed the fact our British society has been acting more repressive than normal for a while now - and we're all of us just fighting to get it back to normal.

But feel quite free to demonstrate for a typical British cause (ie not some other places partial government) or come out with a normal British opinion and see whether our police come and arrest you too for doing nothing wrong. Then perhaps you will understand that some British people are being arrested just for exercising our absolute right to "freedom of speech".

That’s what elections are for.

I would so love to think our government does exactly what we, the electorate, say. Those would be the days.....ie of them remembering Britain is a democracy and they're supposed to do what we want. Last time I looked there was a lot of "snouts in troughs" going on - Keir Starmer, Angela Rayner, et al.

They are darn nearly all of them in it purely and simply for themselves and trying to cling on in there - or manipulate behind the scenes (like Tony Blair for instance).

An alleycat would have more morals than many of them. Supposed to be our representatives/expressing our wishes = our phrase of "Don't make me laugh".

You’re wrong CariadAgain openly supporting a proscribed terror group is classed as a crime.You or others may not like that but it’s the law.
PA will be appealing being proscribed next month but as things stand anyone who supports them will be arrested.Those people could have simply attended a pro Palestinian march but chose PA instead.Up to them wasn’t it to do it and be arrested.

Any government rules by the choice of the people.Once in power they can’t do exactly what the people say, what if the people want hanging brought back/ bear baiting brought back or public floggings?

Cariad - PA is a proscribed organisation so supporting it is criminal. We don’t have the full detail but it’s what our government concluded.

We don’t expect any government to do what we want. Which part of the public decides what everyone wants ?

You seem to be missing the point altogether - just because our current government says a group is to be described as "proscribed terror group" doesnt mean that is what they are in actual fact. They are a protest group - and it suits our current government to call them that. It does not mean they are that. Just a typical British protest group - exercising our typical British right to "freedom of speech".

Our present government just decided to ratchet things up on that one particular group at this moment in time.

We've never had as much acceptance from the government and the police as we should have of that right. I've been on the "receiving end" of being punished for doing nothing wrong myself - in my own country!!!!!!!

Even a letter to the papers about the way local police were acting decades back now - and the police turned up on my doorstep demanding to come in and lecture me for doing nothing wrong. I let them in - and proceeded to make sure I was the one giving the lecture about inappropriate behaviour - and not them. I've been kicked out of one job unfairly and unfairly not taken on for another job - just because I exercised our British right to "freedom of speech". So I'm very well aware our police, our government and our employers sometimes punish people for doing nothing wrong. So - why would I believe this group is in the wrong - just because our current Government is saying they are?

Oreo

Any government rules by the choice of the people.Once in power they can’t do exactly what the people say, what if the people want hanging brought back/ bear baiting brought back or public floggings?

Now you’re talking I can think of quite a few polititians than would benefit from a public flogging.

Not a typical British protest group at all, the government knows who the backers are and their aims which is why they are proscribed.
I would in fact trust the government on this as they know more than we do.It will be Intelligence led info.

David49

Oreo

Any government rules by the choice of the people.Once in power they can’t do exactly what the people say, what if the people want hanging brought back/ bear baiting brought back or public floggings?

Now you’re talking I can think of quite a few polititians than would benefit from a public flogging.

😂

Oreo

Not a typical British protest group at all, the government knows who the backers are and their aims which is why they are proscribed.
I would in fact trust the government on this as they know more than we do.It will be Intelligence led info.

I look forward to our government remembering they are OUR government/we elected them and sharing this information with us then. I've not noticed any signs of them doing so yet.....just "Trust us...trust us". Yeah right - that would be the Government which is currently letting the Chinese government build a nice big embassy in our country - complete with a dungeon in the basement (yep...really!!!!). Trust them - I'll have to have a think on that front....

First thought after that - oh yep...it was one of our governments that imposed a Lockdown. Hmmm...I remember that and that I got through it better than a lot because I "knew" (intuition) about a year beforehand that they'd do that and so I was somewhat prepared.

Errrm....I could think of a great long list if I sat and thought about it as to why not to trust them....oh yep....2nd thought Tony Bliar(sic) and that dodgy dossier that time in order to get us into a war.

Hmmm....trust them? I don't think so...

There are a number of reports of Israel soldiers still on a killing spree.

“Israeli forces killed five Palestinians in Gaza City's Shujaiyya neighborhood on Tuesday, as families inspected damaged homes near a designated withdrawal line under a U.S.-brokered ceasefire that began October 10. Gaza officials reported the deaths from drone strikes and gunfire, while the Israel Defense Forces stated troops fired on suspects who crossed the buffer zone and approached positions despite warnings. Additional strikes elsewhere raised the day's toll to nine, underscoring enforcement issues in the fragile truce”

This is so fragile.

The situation is precarious. If people believe there is a ceasefire they won't expect to be shot by the IDF and yet they are still being killed.

Oreo

Not a typical British protest group at all, the government knows who the backers are and their aims which is why they are proscribed.
I would in fact trust the government on this as they know more than we do.It will be Intelligence led info.

Of course they do and of course there is good reason behind this.
The other protestors might have genuine feelings that they need to be seen to be protesting but they are being used and are what could be termed "useful idiots".
Not my own term but one which is used for those who do not realise they are being used by others.

There are other groups they could join which are not proscribed.

There are a number of reports of Israel soldiers still on a killing spree.
Shouldn't they be withdrawn?

There are also reports of Hamas executing 8 Israeli collaborators. I understand that the fighting continues between Hamas and the clans.
I hope Trump has a Plan B ?

Maremia

So, are standards of international decency allowed to drop with the excuse of war? Maybe they do for you.

Well no that's why there are war crimes.