Maccabi Tel Aviv football club banned

Rosie51. I'm afraid Gaza is the only conflict that people generally feel concerned about, even Ukraine is chip paper news now. Judging by the reception that Israeli competitor had to face at the Eurovision song contest, you have to assume that a lot of hatred shown to Israel and by definition Jews, is antisemitic, although of course this is hotly denied!! Unfortunately this football match is no different. Sudan is an appalling situation, as is Yemen, The Congo, Nigeria, China's treatment of Muslims, Syria, and so much more. However you will never ever see endless protests, perpetrators being banned, or really anyone appearing to care at all! Only Israel, and Israel equals Jews or Zio's as they are now called, and call it what you will, that equals antisemitism. Otherwise, as you said why aren't the protesters out in force about other horrors?

Maremia

Didn't know that the team was already banned from another League.
Nothing on the news since this morning.
The Police must still be pondering the safety issue.

It was part of the Arab League's boycott of Israel in economics, sports and other areas.
The Arab League is not a football league.

It was, in effect, an attempt at sending Israel to Coventry and trying to stop Jewish people from thinking of emigrating there from other countries.

Not all states or countries complied with the boycott.
Most have decided to abandon the boycott now.

Didn't know that the team was already banned from another League.
Nothing on the news since this morning.
The Police must still be pondering the safety issue.

AGAA4

Maccabi was allowed into UEFA despite not being European when it was expelled from the Arab League.
Perhaps UEFA are regretting this with all the problems with this club.

They have certainly brought a real headache with them, which is the unpopularity of their government.

Perhaps if things calm down - ……………….

Allira

Whitewavemark2

Fans can actually (contrary to some opinion) Hold more than one thought in their mind at once. You see this, particularly in Europe, where fans watch their team, but at the same time the stadium is awash with Palestinian flags.

Which should not be allowed imo.

If they want to make a political statement, make it elsewhere.

Times have changed though, and where you get a number of people together, they now make their opinions heard. The governing bodies now appear to accept that.

Maccabi was allowed into UEFA despite not being European when it was expelled from the Arab League.
Perhaps UEFA are regretting this with all the problems with this club.

Whitewavemark2

Fans can actually (contrary to some opinion) Hold more than one thought in their mind at once. You see this, particularly in Europe, where fans watch their team, but at the same time the stadium is awash with Palestinian flags.

Which should not be allowed imo.

If they want to make a political statement, make it elsewhere.

Fans can actually (contrary to some opinion) Hold more than one thought in their mind at once. You see this, particularly in Europe, where fans watch their team, but at the same time the stadium is awash with Palestinian flags.

Lathyrus3

Yes, I totally agree with you escaped. And with Kate. I’m sorry if my post read otherwise.

It’s those who will be there for reasons other that football that are the problem.

I thought your post said it exactly right!

Yes, I totally agree with you escaped. And with Kate. I’m sorry if my post read otherwise.

It’s those who will be there for reasons other that football that are the problem.

The vast majority of supporters are not there to cause violence. Lathyrus and other posters are correct in saying that such acts are contrary to any club's values and to any normal supporter's values.

My DGS plays for an international club at Academy level. This year over 1000 players from 30 countries, plus many more supporters lived abroad side by side for a week in perfect harmony to compete in numerous matches. They included teams from Morocco, Egypt, Ghana, Nigeria, Tanzania, Tunisia, Jordan, including representation from Jews etc.

It's only once out in the world of hatred and harassment that the beautiful game is spoilt by a small minority of people whose only agenda is to cause trouble and attack the supporters of the Israeli team. More often than not, they have nothing to do with football, but as Kate1949 says, use the occasion as an excuse for mayhem and violence.

the governing bodies 🙄

Apparently the governing bodies FIFA and UEFA, have been considering taking action against IFA for a number of years certainly quite some time before 7th Oct.
One reason was the fact that Israeli clubs were staging matches in the illegal settlements which was first raised in 2013.

Last month the Ho earning bodies were about to suspend IFA, but then the ceasefire was announced so the suspension has been shelved for the time.

This of course is not without precedent.

Russia is banned.

Fans now expect sport to reflect values of equality and fairness - sport can no longer claim political neutrality.

This match wouldn't be a football hooligan issue. It would be, as I said, an excuse for hordes of people to descend on Villa Park using it as an excuse for mayhem and violence.

Report on lunchtime BBC. Seems it will be up to the Police to stay with their decision ot to alter the wording. According to that same report, the Police made their decision after reviewing the behaviour of that team's away fans.
Behaviour.... public safety concerns.

Smileless2012

Maybe if the clubs themselves made a concerted effort to eradicate racist 'fans', this wouldn't be an issue.

Yes.

The UK does this. It's very difficult with the situation at the moment, though, as it would take an immense amount of self-control for any fans if faced with taunts from protest groups outside the ground.

Maybe if the clubs themselves made a concerted effort to eradicate racist 'fans', this wouldn't be an issue.

growstuff

Oreo

Lathyrus3

I guess Oreo means condoning those who, with no interest in the football match, would gather outside the ground purely to harass supporters of the Israeli team.

This wouldn’t be about two opposing sets of fans as in other cases of banning. It would be about harassing people purely because of their nationality.

That’s exactly it, and not hard to understand tho a few can’t seem to.🤷🏼‍♀️

No, it's about banning fans who have a history of racism.

You are claiming, then, that all the fans of this club are racist football thugs?

Do you know them all individually?

There are racists amongst all football followers. There are racists everywhere. Do we make a blanket ban on all football fans, on gatherings of people anywhere because there might be a few racists amongst them?

How far so you suggest we take this?

It’s the safety of the local community we should be worried about, as the police have already identified the concerns

You mean like all the police removed from normal duties to deal with the recent protest by supporters of Palestine Action?

If Maccabi come I can see that there will be trouble unless it is handled extremely well. It could mean far too many police in that area taking them from other duties.
With the situation in Gaza and racist fans arriving people will react.

The ban has had precedent for other clubs, sadly some English ones, who were not allowed to travel abroad,
for PUBLIC ORDER CONCERNS.

StripeyGran

Nobody is condoning hurting people.

Condoning the intent to gather to harass others and to prevent them from doing a very ordinary thing, like attending a football match.

Whether they do this on the spot or whether they threaten violence so that people are kept away by fear, it is the same intent.

It is possible to condone directly by openly supporting the intent, but also by supporting that those threatened should be made to follow the demands of these who threaten,

If fans are going to chant “Death to the Arabs” and “Let the IDF f*ck the Arabs”, they can't complain about being punished

Apparently it's fine, they are the victims and we are to feel shame.

I don't think so.

Oreo

Lathyrus3

I guess Oreo means condoning those who, with no interest in the football match, would gather outside the ground purely to harass supporters of the Israeli team.

This wouldn’t be about two opposing sets of fans as in other cases of banning. It would be about harassing people purely because of their nationality.

That’s exactly it, and not hard to understand tho a few can’t seem to.🤷🏼‍♀️

No, it's about banning fans who have a history of racism.