Breaking Peace in the Middle East? Continued thread.

Have the Palestinians ever been asked how they would like to sort it out?
Perhaps begin by asking those who live in the West Bank.
How would they like the internationally condemned Settlers to be dealt with?
Some of us could probably make a guess.

Maremia

So, do some posters think that Palestinians are not entitled to a homeland, but that Jews are?

Who thinks that?

So, do some posters think that Palestinians are not entitled to a homeland, but that Jews are?

Add the unofficial aspect - the settlers and their violence. I've never yet seen Palestinians lead an attack on settlers - just defending themselves against the latest settler attack on their property (if that - as the Palestinians just seem to land up being on the receiving end of all those attacks).

Do you not agree with people refusing to back a Government fighting a war of this nature? #puzzled smilie. (ie a war of attrition against the native people of Palestine). From where most of us are standing the Palestinians are defending themselves - they werent the agressor in the first place way back when...

Good grief.
I think common sense has left this thread.

Of course probably the most obvious solution for Jews living in Palestine would be to tell their Government what's what and they were choosing not to back all their endless wars and whatever excuse they've come out with for them this time.

Thankfully, there are a noticeable number it seems who are thoroughly fed-up with all the wars their Government has, the raids the settlers do, etc and live more normally themselves. With the bravest refusing to get conscripted into the IDF.

The answer, as we know, is that another way to establish what nationality someone is (or at least what nationality predominates) is to do a DNA test.

I'd gathered that Jews are not actually allowed to have such a test if they're living in Palestine (stopped by the Government from doing so). Though nothing to try and stop them from doing so if they visit another country (ie combine having a holiday in another country and do that verboten DNA test whilst they're there) and get the result telling them what nationality they are before they go back there (ie if, for some reason, they don't know what nationality their parents are). That's possible, I guess, as I don't actually know what nationality my mothers father is (as I was told her grandfather was her father - and so I assume my own maternal grandfather was English).

I struggle to get my head round their way of looking at nationality - as it's so different to everyone elses. The only Jewish person I know (and we're friends) describes herself as South African - because that is what she is and where she was born. So she says she's Jewish - but she is South African and lived there till she was 16 - prior to moving to Britain. She'd have no problem knowing which country to go back to if it came to it = South Africa.

Well yes....I guess it would create problems for a DNA test to come up with a result of, for instance, "You're 70% Polish" and that would make Poland the obvious country for that particular person....

Allira

Anniebach

“Which ever country they personally really come from “

Would this be asked in every census or annually?

A homeland for the Jewish people

That would be Palestine.
And for Palestinians too.

So, CariadAgain, do you have any ideas how to sort it out?

Would this be asked in every census or annually?
Good question Anniebach!

I'm sure that there are millions of people around the world who do not live in their country of origin but many, unlike Jewish people, do not have historic roots in their chosen country.

Should we all shuffle back whence we came?

Anniebach

“Which ever country they personally really come from “

Would this be asked in every census or annually?

A homeland for the Jewish people

That would be Palestine.
And for Palestinians too.

So, CariadAgain, do you have any ideas how to sort it out?

The figures are out there somewhere.

I've been giving Chat GPT its headache for the day asking questions.

Back came there's 7.2-7.5 million Jews in Palestine - of whom 20.3% were born abroad. Then I asked what nationality their parents are - as people are the nationality their parents are (though a lot identify as something else - but we'll go by the traditional "You are what your parents are"). But yep...eg given my parents are both English = means I'm British (whichever country I was born in in the world).

On that basis - I asked about the third generation (ie bearing in mind where their parents were born) and the reply was 47% of Jews living in Palestine are third-generation (ie they were born there and their parents before them were born there). So maybe, in total, round about 3.6 million Jews born in Palestine and with parents who were born in Palestine (ie and the rest emigrated there or their parents did).

I've not asked Chat GPT for a breakdown of what nationalities the Jews in Palestine are - I didn't want to blow it up asking it to get its head round that....

Whitewavemark2

The question being asked in the Sundays is - how are the people in Israel going to deal with the atrocities in Gaza as the details emerge.

It is beginning to be understood that the death toll of 60-70k is only a fraction of the losses. It is estimated (Lancet) that 500000 dead lie under the rubble.

In a church in Melbourne, volunteers read out the name of each dead Gazan child.

The litany continued for 30 hours.

Israel as a nation has to face what it has done - what is has become.

Taken from an article by Steve Biddulph.

As more information becomes available and the picture becomes clearer am afraid it will be much much worse than we imagine.
Under every building are bodies and there are very many buildings reduced to rubble in Gaza. Families have missing loved ones they know are dead but can never reclaim or bury.

“Which ever country they personally really come from “

Would this be asked in every census or annually?

Maremia

A homeland for the Jewish people.
A homeland for the Palestinian people.

Does one concept have more value than the other?

A homeland for the Palestinian people = Palestine
A homeland for the Jewish people = whichever country they personally really come from.

Job done.

Quote Whitewavemark2 Sun 26-Oct-25 08:31:53
The question being asked in the Sundays is - how are the people in Israel going to deal with the atrocities in Gaza as the details emerge.

How have Jews had to deal with atrocities they suffered and still experience

A homeland for the Jewish people.
A homeland for the Palestinian people.

Does one concept have more value than the other?

The question being asked in the Sundays is - how are the people in Israel going to deal with the atrocities in Gaza as the details emerge.

It is beginning to be understood that the death toll of 60-70k is only a fraction of the losses. It is estimated (Lancet) that 500000 dead lie under the rubble.

In a church in Melbourne, volunteers read out the name of each dead Gazan child.

The litany continued for 30 hours.

Israel as a nation has to face what it has done - what is has become.

Taken from an article by Steve Biddulph.

Maremia

It could be that some of the funding comes from monied supporters in the USA. Just a theory, at the moment as I have not delved deeply into that aspect.

Very quick google and certainly some is coming from America - hence why America is able to tell Netanyahu what to do to some extent.

Guess America wants that proposed canal right through Gaza. To suit American trade.

Very glad I wasn't born Palestinian this time round - it's probably about the worst deal on the planet one could get - with the way they're being treated and have been for decades now.

They need to speed up the evacuation of the sick kids to outside hospitals, before mor of them die.

It could be that some of the funding comes from monied supporters in the USA. Just a theory, at the moment as I have not delved deeply into that aspect.

I think it's all the lying that gets me - individual level, their government level, etc. First one has to find your way through all that to figure out what the Truth actually is.

The two positive things I see right now are it looks like a noticeable number of their own people have seen through all this and are not on their side and the way it looks like they're going broke (ie because of all their war spending). I would certainly be interested to know more about their finances - where all that money has come from to date for all the fighting they've done so far (decades worth of it) and their building programme, etc. Until this latest info. about their finances - it's just felt like they've had an endless "money tap" turned on from somewhere....

Hamas is a proscribed terrorist group and atrocities will be expected. Israel is supposedly a civilised country but they have committed similar atrocities to Hamas.

deliberately individually picking out people on the other hand (which they've done a lot of - not just children....eg how about journalists?).

As did Hamas, including babies and young children.

If anyone is interested in checking it out re them now being broke by the look of it:

YouTube video - "Israel BANKRUPT After Hamas War" by the news channel OneIndia News

Couldnt happen to a nicer lot if so......

It does sound logical to me - given that narcissistic people have a tendency to spend all sorts of money they haven't got (preferably other peoples money) then it follows to me that a grouping like this would do much the same....

If just a few children had been killed this way it could be put down to trigger happy soldiers but if so many were killed this way it was a concerted effort by the IDF to kill everyone in sight, no matter how young or vulnerable. Soldiers act upon orders, so these were the orders.