Breaking Peace in the Middle East? Continued thread.

That's an interesting question Caleo.

Defeating the ideology of Hamas, which as most people could be aware, is as unacceptable to many Moslem traditions, as it is to non Moslems, would reduce the following.
But, how to do that?
Giving hope, of a decent future, of safety, of trust is a way.
At the moment not sure who could pull this off.

CariadAgain

Maremia

And that is how different folk and different faiths can actually come together.

That's what I think Maremia - I say to people "You can be any religion you please or none - and that's up to you/I'm not bothered basically - unless you push it on other people or it's Black Magic" (which I do draw the line at and am not a happy bunny when I've spotted signs of it going on in the vicinity).

So the only times I've been concerned have been when I was in an evangelical Christian church way back and the man speaking said "Anyone can speak - as long as they're a man". Two minutes later everyone had witnessed me very publicly getting up and walking firmly out the door of the chapel - never to reappear and I would have still done so even if I'd been a man myself.
Back in my last city I was told how to recognise some signs of Black Magic - which would mysteriously have disappeared a couple of minutes after I'd seen them.

Apart from that - be what you please imo...and I only missed out on going to the Greek Orthodox service we'd been invited to as well in Birmingham because I took the precaution of looking up how long their services went on for - !!!!!! Think it was 8 hours or something....and even my curiosity wasn't enough to cover that....

So - yep....religious tolerance....

Must have been more than a little amusing to the boyfriend I was on holiday with when I took us both into Catholic churches for a look - and even more amusing when I found I knew exactly what everything was and busily told him (you don't learn that when you've been brought up by an Anglican and an agnostic - and I couldnt have told you how I knew it).

Cariad, religious tolerance is a positive thing, very different from apathy.

I understand why you walked out of the evangelical Protestant service. Protestant evangelicals seem to be actually UNABLE to see good in any other religion or sect but their own. You carry your religious tolerance in a light- hearted style, which is what is needed .

There is a deep-seated cultural difference between Protestantism and eastern religions including Islam. I was reared as a liberal Protestant but there are aspects of Islam I like better.
Do you think women are better than men at religious tolerance?

But it is never an excuse for victims, in any situation, to victimise others.

The leader of Israel's security (likened to our MI5) has said Hamas will never be defeated unless Israel defeat the ideology.
She believes the way to do this is with the two state solution giving new horizons for both Israelis and Palestinians.

Very sorry for my error. Correction: Palestinians are victims of victims.

Quote MayBee70 Tue 21-Oct-25 13:20:20
Everything should be judged on what is happening now. No one denies that the holocaust was a terrible event that should never be repeated but that shouldn’t change the way that we look at current situations.

A step away from denial surely? “Don’t mention the war”, Faulty Towers ?

Oreo

Caleo

Has anybody explained what has happened to Israelis to make them like this?

We know how Germany came to be ruled by murderers. What is the sociological explanation for Israeli murderers?

Ever heard of the Holocaust? Over six million Jews murdered by people who hated them just for being Jewish.
Israel will never just sit back and not go after the perpetrators who went there and murdered 1,200 just for being Jewish.
They will never accept it without retribution. Hamas made a huge mistake which even their leaders, what’s left of them acknowledges.

Yes, Oreo I have read that explanation and it must be taken account of. Jews were victims of victims.

However, Israel is a place where children are well taught , and presumably can use balanced judgment. To justify continued hostilities on the basis of revenge for historical wrongs is not going to lead to peace and prosperity.

True. But it doesn’t mean that everything that Israel does should be beyond reproach because of it or that criticising things that they do must be because of anti semitism. Which imo is what is happening.

Wyllow3 I apologise for the typo in getting your name wrong, was it necessary to be so brusque?

Silence does definitely not equate to agreement.

There are at least two Jewish posters (one who lives in Israel) who no longer feel welcome on the Gaza/Palestine threads.

It’s just easier to leave these threads to the prolific posters.

It changed the way that Jews look at any situation I can assure you.

Everything should be judged on what is happening now. No one denies that the holocaust was a terrible event that should never be repeated but that shouldn’t change the way that we look at current situations.

Caleo

Has anybody explained what has happened to Israelis to make them like this?

We know how Germany came to be ruled by murderers. What is the sociological explanation for Israeli murderers?

Ever heard of the Holocaust? Over six million Jews murdered by people who hated them just for being Jewish.
Israel will never just sit back and not go after the perpetrators who went there and murdered 1,200 just for being Jewish.
They will never accept it without retribution. Hamas made a huge mistake which even their leaders, what’s left of them acknowledges.

CariadAgain

Smileless2012

Wyllow didn't say that it had been stated GG.

I would read that as "If they havent stated condemnation of Netanyahu for what he's done = they support him".

To me - it looks appropriate to distance oneself from/say one disagrees with someone that does as much "wrong" as he's done/doing - as one wonders why anyone would do anything other than condemn him and it looks rather as if "Silence = agreement".

Pretty much that. Silence speaks volumes.

And my name is not "Whllow3"

Please also give me the courtesy of using my name as people always do, its Wyllow

Has anybody explained what has happened to Israelis to make them like this?

We know how Germany came to be ruled by murderers. What is the sociological explanation for Israeli murderers?

Thank you for naming and remembering the Abu Shaaban family.

Smileless2012

Wyllow didn't say that it had been stated GG.

I would read that as "If they havent stated condemnation of Netanyahu for what he's done = they support him".

To me - it looks appropriate to distance oneself from/say one disagrees with someone that does as much "wrong" as he's done/doing - as one wonders why anyone would do anything other than condemn him and it looks rather as if "Silence = agreement".

Smileless2012

Wyllow didn't say that it had been stated GG.

Perhaps you would like to explain what Whllow3 meant then?

Good news, or not. JD Vance is on his way to Israel.

Wyllow didn't say that it had been stated GG.

Wyllow3

They are still burning homes and killing innocents in Gaza.

Time for posters who quite rightly wrote at length of the horrors of October 7th explain why Netanyahu can still do no wrong 😡

I have not seen one post on the Gaza/Israel threads were it has been stated that Netanyahu can still do no wrong ?

They are still burning homes and killing innocents in Gaza.

Time for posters who quite rightly wrote at length of the horrors of October 7th explain why Netanyahu can still do no wrong 😡

That was a new one to me recently Maremia - I hadn't realised they don't want people finding out their DNA isn't what they'd like it to be and the Palestinians usually have a much stronger strand of that DNA in them.

Feels a very odd argument to me - and wondering what would happen if I traced back my own personal DNA - there's Dutch, there's Scottish, there's Irish and wonder if I could make a claim in three different places then. I've not the foggiest idea whereabouts in Holland a Dutch female ancestor a few generations back came from - so guess I should just pick a town I like the look of and claim that as mine and go over there to select a house I like the look of and kick the owners out...

And WhiteWave's point, some pages back about those who claim 'ancestral rights', but don't feel happy to attempt to prove it with DNA testing.

Wondering if a big, clear expose of why the attempted land theft is happening would be one useful way to respond to all the successful and attempted land theft.

The stated reason is "A 2,000 year old book says it's ours really"....#speechless.

But a good clear expose of the real reasons for all the achieved and attempted land theft might be useful....wonder if there's any books written from that angle or videos. I've seen blow by blow demolition of the "Bible says its ours" myth - but I tend to think that's a "surface" reason...