Breaking Peace in the Middle East? Continued thread.

It is also fascinating to understand those of the Jewish faith, who deny the existence of Israel.

There was footage of them in Tel Aviv and indeed in New York, burning Israeli flags.

They are those who are not conscripted into the IDF.

Maremia

Will look up that church you referred to, and also the Facebook suggestion.
Heading out soon, and will catch up later.

Yes it is good to have a balance and understand that there are Israelis who offer help to those suffering at the hands of the IDF and settlers.

Kindness is so uplifting.

Will look up that church you referred to, and also the Facebook suggestion.
Heading out soon, and will catch up later.

Anniebach

Hamas will not give up their power and Israel will not give up the need to free Gaza of Hamas

That’s it in a nutshell.
There’s a power vacuum now in Gaza and I doubt hamas have any intention whatsoever of handing over to anyone or putting down weapons.They’ll have to be made to.

Hanging in to the good news messages.
For the suffering, aid agencies, as well as food trucks, will hopefully feel able to return.

What chance do the Palestinians have when soldiers are violent towards small children and elderly women.
There is supposed to be a ceasefire but surely that should mean no violence.

Yep....and give them their due = there are some people from other countries and even the odd non-Palestinian from that other part of Palestine that do go in and try to help and shield the Palestinians there. But I've seen video after video of settlers and/or the IDF going in rampaging/stealing/demolishing houses/etc in the West Bank.

It was certainly food for thought watching a recent West Bank video and the owners of the home concerned had had to put up very strong metal fencing around it to try and protect themselves and said that settlers were trying to trespass and damage their home on a pretty much daily basis and they were having to lock themselves into their own home to try and keep it.

It's bad if one has to put up security cameras and gates in our country to protect oneself from marauding neighbours - but the thought that if my house were there instead I'd have to also add tall strong metal gates and lock myself in and yet still the attacks would be nearly daily and I'd know they'd have no compunction about killing or injuring me or stealing/trashing my possessions is one heck of a sight worse. I guess the settlers and IDF are hoping to harass them so much that the next time they come to do so they will have psyched those women into leaving their home and they can just grab it.

I swear this harassment/theft/etc is all about "breaking their (the Palestinians) will". Breaking someone's will is a military tactic..

Footage of an illegal settler clubbing and elderly lady as she picked her olives. The lady is now in ICU. The settler? no action taken by the authorities.

This is the issue. Day in day out violence suffered by people going about their lawful business.

This has been going on for years.

The children were sat playing in the rubble.

Report of illegal settlers in West Bank pattacking olive farmers and setting fire to their car. The Americans filming the incident were also attacked.

Whitewavemark2

Footage on X showing two IDF soldiers, with two tiny children. The children were no taller than the soldiers calves. The soldiers assaulted the children.

The next lot of footage shows the children sat shaking on a sofa one with a cut on the eye, both telling of their experience.

Little Hamas in the making.

I think it must have been the same one I saw somewhere Whitewave and thought "FGS - they're kids".

Kids that have probably already lost family. Kids that have already missed out on 2 years schooling (and we know the effect Lockdown had on British kids - and they weren't involved in the middle of a war and most of them had computers/could maybe do a bit of online schooling).

Footage on X showing two IDF soldiers, with two tiny children. The children were no taller than the soldiers calves. The soldiers assaulted the children.

The next lot of footage shows the children sat shaking on a sofa one with a cut on the eye, both telling of their experience.

Little Hamas in the making.

Yep...just had a peer down their website on the link. Looks professional.

Whoops - typing error and unable to correct on this site again.

www.middleeastmonitor.com

Maremia

Cariad, could you come back her, to some of us, and let us know about that Facebook Group
Middle East Monitor?

Re the "Middle East Monitor". Two ways I've found to access.

1. The Facebook Group:
facebook.com/middleeastmonitor

(This has got 1.5 million followers - so it's a substantial size one).

2. Their website

www.middleeasternmonitor.com

It's a sort of online newspaper.

Hospital in Gaza - reported in a Catholic Journal

Rev Richard Sewell, Dean of St George's College, Jerusalem, wrote on Friday:
Today marks the second anniversary of the devastating bombing of the Anglican Al Ahli Hospital in Gaza. It remains amongst the single most devastating attacks and largest numbers of deaths in one incident. It has never been possible to confirm the actual number because of the nature of the destruction but it was many hundreds. We honour the memory of all those children, women and men who died.
But the story didn't end with death. Al Ahli hospital regenerated itself and continued its life-saving work. Despite nine further missile or drone attacks by Israel and summary arrests and subsequent release of our medical staff, the vital medical care has continued almost unbroken. One day the miraculous story will be fully told.
We stand in awe of all the hospital staff including the Princess Basma Centre rehab team who all show extraordinary courage and indefatigable determination to continue the healing ministry which has been entrusted to us all by Jesus Christ.
Our commemoration of this day looks ever forwards in hope and not backwards in anger.

And the Mothers too.
Always hope.

Missed your positive post WhiteWave, while chatting to Babs and Cariad.
They are heroes, brave to take on those thugs.

More positivity -

Rabbis for Human Rights is protesting the Israeli Government plans to 'conquer' Gaza. In a statement RHR says: 'This brutal plan shows the disregard for human life which has characterized the policies throughout the war. In Gaza there is famine and humanitarian crisis, further military action will cost many innocent lives, while endangering the lives of the hostages and treating the lives of Israeli soldiers as a political pawn.
'This week on the Gaza Border, under a banner reading "We don't have children for a political war" Israeli Mothers Against the War held a vigil against the plans to "conquer" Gaza. Several of our Rabbis were among the organizers, and Rabbi Avi Dabush came to speak and support the group.
'In our history, mothers' movements have played a role in conflict resolution and against military solutions. We believe in this movement, lead us out of conflict and towards preserving human life.
'This coming Sunday, Rabbis for Human Rights will join a national strike against the war, our staff and members will be on the streets, stopping regular life across Israel, desperately protesting against the Government's failed strategy and disrespect for human life. We will not stay silent. '
"Nation shall not take up sword against nation. They shall never again know war." - Isaiah 2:4

Cariad, could you come back her, to some of us, and let us know about that Facebook Group
Middle East Monitor?

Suspected that about the anti-semitism, which does usually include Holocaust denial.
What are they thinking?

Something positive

Rabbis for Human Rights

This week we opened our campaign to support the Palestinian harvest season in the village of Husan. The staff of Rabbi Voice for Human Rights, Sabeel, and 25 additional volunteers came to assist with the harvest and provide protection.
Already on our first day we faced a closed military order from the army: these orders are routinely used in order to prevent farmers from reaching their lands. Fortunately, we had already harvested for a few hours, and with the volunteers we brought to the field, we managed to successfully collect the olives from an entire grove.
On the second day of the olive harvest season, over 40 volunteers joined us in a partnership day harvest with Standing Together, in the fields of Deyr Ammar. These groves have been inaccessible since a new settler outpost was established, which displaced several Bedouin families.
Within minutes of arriving, soldiers ordered us to leave, claiming it was forbidden to be there or to film. After about 15 minutes, a military order arrived. As we began packing up, around ten settlers appeared, shouting and throwing stones. Several Palestinians were attacked, and at least one was hospitalized.

Maremia

Interesting that Robinson has been applauded. Taking his own form of racism to Israel.

Yes. Especially seeing as his group of thugs count antisemitism as part of their allure, with Holocaust denial high on the agenda.
Perhaps their hatred of Muslims is the draw, with ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend’ playing well with some - by no means all - Israelis.

Just encountered another useful Facebook group - "Middle East Monitor".

It states it's an "independent media resource founded to foster a fair and accurate coverage of Middle Eastern issues and in particular the Palestine question".

About to have a good look through it - though first impressions are positive ones - ie accurate (am gobsmacked at just how many lies we're fed here in the West by the mainstream media and our government) and professional-looking.

On the "Hidden Palestine" Facebook group this morning there was the announcement that Dropsite's @ryangrim reveals that US officials knew within hours that the Rafah explosion was caused by an Israeli bulldozer hitting unexploded ordnance - and not a Hamas attack. Despite this, Netanyahu lied, blamed Hamas and ordered new airstrikes. Washington had to confront him with the truth before he reopened the crossings.

You can imagine the swearwords I'm mentally calling Netanyahu. I guess it's clear that the pressure needs to be on America to stop backing Netanyahu and bring him to heel all round.

It would be interesting if anyone has any links as to just why America is backing him? What is in it for them? Is it hopes that that canal will be built across Gaza that Netanyahu wants if they "play him" enough?