Afghan who threatened to kill Nigel Farage on run from Swedish Police

Maremia

Point of Information request.
I thought convicted criminals were automatically removed?

After they serve their sentence? Or at least part of it.

But where to, if they have no papers?
Back to France?

A few weeks ago there was a report on the BBC of a successful police operation against criminals stealing and exporting phones to China, the figures were something like 40,000 phones a year.
I read through this and it turned out that a particularly useful moment was when the police stopped a car containing 3 or 4000 phones on their way out of the country. The car was driven by, wait for it, two 30 year old Afghans.
I used to feel that one should be positive about illegal immigration but I feel it has gone too far and would agree with others that the majority of these boat people are young, able men.
The UK isn't quite the paradise they possibly imagined but I would guess many, if to most, of them have no idea about our values regarding women or the difficulty most British citizens now face with a getting a decent job or finding an affordable place to live.

But are you dear posters prepared to pay more in taxes to do this or is it empty rhetoric and grumbles

That sounds incredibly patronising!
This is older people, pensioners, you are addressing in the main, some of whom may scarcely be eligible to pay much tax.

It is up to Government whether or not we pay more in taxes. It is up to the Government if they tackle the wealthy who evade tax instead of penalising those working hard and struggling to make ends meet and those who provide food for the population.

What would you like us to do? Go along to Ms Reeves with a tenner in an envelope every week labelled 'My voluntary tax'?

I'd like to see an effort made to stop waste first, tackle the lawyers who keep appealing on behalf of those refused asylum for whatever reason and to make a more robust effort to deport those people who fail the process. One family has been in the country for eight years, refused asylum three times but are still here, being moved around from place to place awaiting the result of yet another appeal.

Some lawyers are becoming very wealthy from this new industry. I hope they are paying the tax due or, being lawyers, have they found loopholes?

Point of Information request.
I thought convicted criminals were automatically removed?

Primrose53

StripeyGran

GrannyGravy13

We are constantly told those arriving are Doctors, Teachers, Engineers etc. …

Who tells you that? We are told " they" are scroungers, perverts, liars and cheats.

Perhaps "they" are indeed a mixture of good and bad and just plain dull.

Oh obviously this individual is a very nasty piece of work.

The pro immigrants are always telling us how many well qualified, educated professionals are arriving in boats.
Total BS of course.

Don’t think I have ever heard TV or radio programmes saying that they are scroungers, perverts etc.

Insert the word “lying” between nasty and piece. 😉

The point is, 94% of people arriving in this country are arriving as legal immigrants and they include the doctors, teachers, carers, chemists, dentists etc.

Of course, some are staying illegally and the government is doing its best with limited resources to root them out.

But the O/P and a group of posters here are fixated on the 6%, many off whom are genuine refugees, those who are not will be and sent back if possible after processing.

(Which clearly needs to be speeded up:

But are you dear posters prepared to pay more in taxes to do this or is it empty rhetoric and grumbles

As regards the example in the O/P I feel a faux outrage coming at me

because

Of course he isn't going to be allowed to stay: he's clearly completely bonkers as well as dangerous!

That is not denied! Amongst their number however are rapists, criminals and unfortunately muderers, there are a steady flow who are awaiting their court cases. As posted by Kate upthread, one woman working in a migrant hotel was stabbed to death, is her life worth nothing? If he hadn't entered our country she'd still be alive. These men need to be processed before they are allowed to reach our shores. The present system is shambolic and yes the previous government as well as this one have been useless in this matter.

We are beyond naïve if we think he is a one-off. We have no idea who we are letting into our country. Those wanting a better life and using the legal migrant process very likely have nothing to hide, paperwork in order etc. Those arriving on rubber boats largely have no right to be here and that's why they are attempting to come in through the back door. Their claims that they are fleeing persecution and war cuts no ice with me. They will have crossed several safe countries in order to reach the French coast. We are a laughing stock. Donald Trump, President Macron and Tony Abbott, a former Australian PM have all recently pointed out where we could close down the illegal route. But we will continue to allow these criminals into our country because every Government we have had are too weak and lily-livered to make a stand.
As Tony Abbott said, he was very unpopular globally when he stopped illegal migration but as the elected PM, his first responsibility was to the Australian citizens. How I would love to have a PM like that.

Only a fool would think the present " system" is working and beneficial to newcomers and established population.

Perhaps the
assertion of boatloads of doctors arriving is based on some muddled thinking. Any recent use of the NHS may plant this seed.
They are neither boatloads of doctors or nasty young men on the make. They are infact human beings who are varied as you and I.

I think the assertion that we have boatloads of doctors etc. coming our way, and yes I've read that, may stem from recent history when this country took in both Asians expelled from Uganda and Vietnamese boat people. Both groups coming with virtually nothing astounded us in the short time they've been here, not only with their worth ethic but their educational achievements, going on to exemplify a multitude of skills migrants can bring with them, neither can I remember any reports of social problems that emanated from those groups.

The recent migration of asylum seekers since Angela Merkel's decision to take so many, may well have brought positives, but a multitude of negatives both here and in mainland Europe, of which there has been much obfuscation and denials. In my opinion those have spurred on the right wing factions. Was there anything worse than the mass assaults of women in Cologne, quite unprecedented. Sweden as with the rest of Scandinavia has often been a blueprint of the sort of egalitarian societies that we should aim to emulate. They must wonder what the hell they have done to their society when armoured tanks have to go out on their streets to manage some of the gangland problems they have imported. Again, that's been bubbling away below the surface for some time, based on the mantra that all migration is beneficial and those who say it isn't are labelled as far right bigots.

windmill1

I get very steamed up about the fact that these alledged scientists, medical proffessionals, lawyers, engineers, etc, are almost all men of fighting age (although some, sporting beards and receding hairlines have claimed to be around 15!) who claim to be fleeing murderous political regime's.

So, they're content to leave their womenfolk behind to face the violence?

No backbone, no integrity, no respect whatsoever for women.

How do you know this please? That the people have no respect for women? Have you chatted to any of them? Have you worked with people seeking asylum?

How do we know who is on these boats?

Surely that's the whole point?

It does seem that any asylum seeker is automatically considered to be a good person

Absolutely not because that would be just as foolish as thinking they are are cowards/ scroungers/ sex pests.

Terribull I agree with your post 👏👏👏

Change the system. Make a way for genuine asylum seekers to be effectively 'processed'. With all the modern, computer assisted data processing accountability factored in.
Reduce the numbers having to use the 'boat' system, and that way the boats could be more easily tracked and monitored.
Make the change.

Teazel2

MayBee70

Teazel2

StripeyGran

GrannyGravy13

We are constantly told those arriving are Doctors, Teachers, Engineers etc. …

Who tells you that? We are told " they" are scroungers, perverts, liars and cheats.

Perhaps "they" are indeed a mixture of good and bad and just plain dull.

Oh obviously this individual is a very nasty piece of work.

He certainly is Stripeygran. The important issue here is that the Government should be able to control our borders and so obviously cannot. I struggle with posters who can see no problem with this.

But Brexit was supposed to be a way to control our borders. What happened to that? Isn’t that what Farage campaigned for..and won.

What has happened is that Starmer got voted in.

How silly! There's very little difference between this government and the last one, but you couldn't miss having a go at Starmer.

Just wait until St Nige has his way!!! He'll be co-ordinating everything from the other side of the Atlantic, the Channel or from Dubai (while the minions squabble and don't even notice the landings.)

MayBee70

Teazel2

StripeyGran

GrannyGravy13

We are constantly told those arriving are Doctors, Teachers, Engineers etc. …

Who tells you that? We are told " they" are scroungers, perverts, liars and cheats.

Perhaps "they" are indeed a mixture of good and bad and just plain dull.

Oh obviously this individual is a very nasty piece of work.

He certainly is Stripeygran. The important issue here is that the Government should be able to control our borders and so obviously cannot. I struggle with posters who can see no problem with this.

But Brexit was supposed to be a way to control our borders. What happened to that? Isn’t that what Farage campaigned for..and won.

What has happened is that Starmer got voted in.

Skydancer

TerriBull

I can't help thinking there is an absolute denial by some in our society, to acknowledge that there are, and will be, a proportion of asylum seekers who present a very dangerous threat. There's almost a suggestion of "well anyway I prefer them to the far right wing, racist, flag waving thugs" in spite of knowing nothing about them, like this awful individual kicked out of Sweden. It does seem that any asylum seeker is automatically considered to be a good person irrespective, who in time, as no doubt some will be, an absolute asset to the country. Unfortunately there are enough cases, hitting the news and going through the courts to suggest that isn't always the case. It was reported the other day that a young woman was dragged on to a beach in Brighton by several asylum seekers and raped. Then there was the case of the young woman who worked in an asylum hotel who was fatally stabbed by one of the men staying there. Assaults and rapes and in the worst case scenarios murders are not unknown. I often see the argument used, that British criminals will outnumber those who are foreign born, which is completely nonsensical, of course they will, with a population of 70 million or whatever it is now, it stands to reason the majority of criminals in our jails will be British, they are with us and always will be. The criminal element, of some foreign nationals as a ratio of their overall numbers in this country are massively over represented in jails, do we really have to import any more

Brilliant post.

I agree, brilliant post.

The Guardian article doesn't mention those particular crimes either. Any more leads?

windmill1

growstuff

Where are the details of his crimes in Sweden? Just asking because the BBC mentions that Khan had 17 previous convictions in Sweden, including for carrying a knife, threatening behaviour and vandalism. Nothing about sexual abuse, animal cruelty, drugs offences or fraud, so just asking.

I was also wondering where the information that he was on the run from the Swedish police came from.

I'm sure he's not exactly a desirable person and will be deported when his prison sentence has finished, but hope the case against him hasn't been exaggerated for effect.

The information appeared in The Guardian amongst other media sources.

Thanks. I'll look. I read the report on the BBC site, but it wasn't quite so bad as the OP described. I like facts.

growstuff

Where are the details of his crimes in Sweden? Just asking because the BBC mentions that Khan had 17 previous convictions in Sweden, including for carrying a knife, threatening behaviour and vandalism. Nothing about sexual abuse, animal cruelty, drugs offences or fraud, so just asking.

I was also wondering where the information that he was on the run from the Swedish police came from.

I'm sure he's not exactly a desirable person and will be deported when his prison sentence has finished, but hope the case against him hasn't been exaggerated for effect.

The information appeared in The Guardian amongst other media sources.

I get very steamed up about the fact that these alledged scientists, medical proffessionals, lawyers, engineers, etc, are almost all men of fighting age (although some, sporting beards and receding hairlines have claimed to be around 15!) who claim to be fleeing murderous political regime's.

So, they're content to leave their womenfolk behind to face the violence?

No backbone, no integrity, no respect whatsoever for women.

Teazel2

StripeyGran

GrannyGravy13

We are constantly told those arriving are Doctors, Teachers, Engineers etc. …

Who tells you that? We are told " they" are scroungers, perverts, liars and cheats.

Perhaps "they" are indeed a mixture of good and bad and just plain dull.

Oh obviously this individual is a very nasty piece of work.

He certainly is Stripeygran. The important issue here is that the Government should be able to control our borders and so obviously cannot. I struggle with posters who can see no problem with this.

Are you actually on a parallel site because there aren't any posters who see no problem.

Where are the details of his crimes in Sweden? Just asking because the BBC mentions that Khan had 17 previous convictions in Sweden, including for carrying a knife, threatening behaviour and vandalism. Nothing about sexual abuse, animal cruelty, drugs offences or fraud, so just asking.

I was also wondering where the information that he was on the run from the Swedish police came from.

I'm sure he's not exactly a desirable person and will be deported when his prison sentence has finished, but hope the case against him hasn't been exaggerated for effect.

Teazel2

StripeyGran

GrannyGravy13

We are constantly told those arriving are Doctors, Teachers, Engineers etc. …

Who tells you that? We are told " they" are scroungers, perverts, liars and cheats.

Perhaps "they" are indeed a mixture of good and bad and just plain dull.

Oh obviously this individual is a very nasty piece of work.

He certainly is Stripeygran. The important issue here is that the Government should be able to control our borders and so obviously cannot. I struggle with posters who can see no problem with this.

But Brexit was supposed to be a way to control our borders. What happened to that? Isn’t that what Farage campaigned for..and won.

The asylum seeker not far from us here in Birmingham who followed the receptionist at the hotel where he was staying to the station on her way home and stabbed her to death last year. He was from Sudan and was seen on CCTV after the murder drinking and dancing. What are we doing?

TerriBull

I can't help thinking there is an absolute denial by some in our society, to acknowledge that there are, and will be, a proportion of asylum seekers who present a very dangerous threat. There's almost a suggestion of "well anyway I prefer them to the far right wing, racist, flag waving thugs" in spite of knowing nothing about them, like this awful individual kicked out of Sweden. It does seem that any asylum seeker is automatically considered to be a good person irrespective, who in time, as no doubt some will be, an absolute asset to the country. Unfortunately there are enough cases, hitting the news and going through the courts to suggest that isn't always the case. It was reported the other day that a young woman was dragged on to a beach in Brighton by several asylum seekers and raped. Then there was the case of the young woman who worked in an asylum hotel who was fatally stabbed by one of the men staying there. Assaults and rapes and in the worst case scenarios murders are not unknown. I often see the argument used, that British criminals will outnumber those who are foreign born, which is completely nonsensical, of course they will, with a population of 70 million or whatever it is now, it stands to reason the majority of criminals in our jails will be British, they are with us and always will be. The criminal element, of some foreign nationals as a ratio of their overall numbers in this country are massively over represented in jails, do we really have to import any more

Brilliant post.

TerriBull

I'll believe it when I see it! one of the Pakistani Rotherham abusers was supposed to have been deported....then the lawyers step in and so it goes on.

Yes.

Obviously these lawyers have never been impacted in any way their safe upper-middle class lives.