Grooming gangs in London

TerriBull exactly 👏👏👏

Domestic abuse will be present in most demographics. I think this sort of digression, as serious as that is, is indicative of the wider issues that the witnesses were expected to embrace, deflecting from their experiences. It's almost, inspite of everything that's been uncovered we are no further forward because there's a definite rationale of " can we skirt round these uncomfortable truths and make it much more general" It was specific and trying to pretend otherwise is a dishonest omission.

Allira

^So why are we only talking about those abusers yet again and ignoring the huge levels of domestic abuse going on day after day, in homes of white people, white gangs?^

Primrose just said grooming gangs.

You are putting a spin on all this, too, Wyllow, which is detracting from the horror of it all.

Absolutely agree.

Whataboutery. Getting away from awful horrors.

growstuff

petra

Perhaps Jess Phillips could go one step further and appoint the senior police officer who was pointed out to her ( Maggie Oliver) by one of the victims as one of her rapists. 🤬
It’s not beyond the realms of possibility as I’m sure she’s not aware of this fact.

Sorry, petra. I'm not sure I've understood your post correctly. If I have, I'm surprised somebody else hasn't commented. Just to clarify ... are you saying that one of the victims has accused Maggie Oliver as a rapist?

(Apologies if I'm being stupid and have misunderstood.)

I knew that wasn’t to come out right 😱
The incident was told by Maggie Oliver herself.
This incident happened while Maggie Oliver was still a serving officer but had started her campaign to help these girls get justice.
One of the victims told Maggie that she had been raped in a particular building. She didn’t know where the building was but she would recognise it if she saw it.
Maggie took the girl for a drive round to see if she recognised the building.
As they were driving around all of a sudden the girl said thats him, that’s him Who asks Maggie that policeman crossing the road came the answer.
Maggie Oliver served in the same station as this officer.
She went as high as she could in the police force but every time was told leave it
She left the police force not long after.

Oreo

Kate1949

Why are people so terrified of being branded racist to the point of young girls' suffering being swept under the carpet?

You may well ask!🤬

And I think has been going on for 20 years.

We can make them accountable for their abuse and not make excuses or avoid pursuing them because of who they are or whatever powerful contacts they may be able to access.

This is too serious to be turned into a political football. Shame on all those who have tried to turn it into one. What is their motivation?

Every decent person should be united in righting this wrong, both for past victims and for the future.

Jess Philips has a difficult brief that's for sure, and I always thought she was a trailblazer in standing up for women's rights. I think she's let herself down in her stance and her complicity to reshape the narrative As a Minister for the Safeguarding and Violence Against Women and Girls that should override any other pressures that have come to bear, such as the obfuscation and digression into wider issues. As the survivors have lamented, once again feel they are not being listened to in being forced to follow the narrow scripting parameters that don't reflect their experiences, theirs are the ONLY voices that really matter. Once again for the umpteenth time these issues cannot be faced head on due to cultural sensibilities, and those being placed over and above the abuses they have suffered. It doesn't serve these women or the public well, it's all descended into a mealy mouthed waste of time and money hence the resignations of the women involved who are clearly disillusioned in the deflections and to all intents and purposes their experiences once again being shut down. Shambolic and dishonest!

I don't see what can be done about this as those men will continue to abuse as they don't respect women.

Kate1949

Why are people so terrified of being branded racist to the point of young girls' suffering being swept under the carpet?

I know. Bizarre isn’t it?

Kate1949

Why are people so terrified of being branded racist to the point of young girls' suffering being swept under the carpet?

You may well ask!🤬

Excellent post TerriBull

Jess Phillips gives the impression of being more concerned with hanging on to her position than with addressing the climate that allowed what was done to these survivors.

Why are people so terrified of being branded racist to the point of young girls' suffering being swept under the carpet?

Allira

growstuff

petra

Perhaps Jess Phillips could go one step further and appoint the senior police officer who was pointed out to her ( Maggie Oliver) by one of the victims as one of her rapists. 🤬
It’s not beyond the realms of possibility as I’m sure she’s not aware of this fact.

Sorry, petra. I'm not sure I've understood your post correctly. If I have, I'm surprised somebody else hasn't commented. Just to clarify ... are you saying that one of the victims has accused Maggie Oliver as a rapist?

(Apologies if I'm being stupid and have misunderstood.)

Yes, you have completely misunderstood petra's post!!

How?

No idea! Attempting to multi-task, I expect.

So what does "by one of the victims as one of her rapists." mean? I think there are too many "her"s in the sentence.

growstuff

petra

Perhaps Jess Phillips could go one step further and appoint the senior police officer who was pointed out to her ( Maggie Oliver) by one of the victims as one of her rapists. 🤬
It’s not beyond the realms of possibility as I’m sure she’s not aware of this fact.

Sorry, petra. I'm not sure I've understood your post correctly. If I have, I'm surprised somebody else hasn't commented. Just to clarify ... are you saying that one of the victims has accused Maggie Oliver as a rapist?

(Apologies if I'm being stupid and have misunderstood.)

Yes, you have completely misunderstood petra's post!!

How?

No growstuff when Maggie Oliver was driving round with one of the victims looking for her abusers, the young girl pointed out a high ranking police officer as one of her abusers.

Sago

GrannyGravy13

Just listening to Maggie Oliver and one of the survivors.

Disgusting outburst from Jess Phillips, so much for being the Minister for Safeguarding.

These enquiries should focus on the Asian Grooming Gangs and the way these girls were dismissed.

The Councils and Police Departments were running scared in case they were seen as racist…

Absolutely this!

They tried to “broaden” the scope of the inquiry to take the focus away from the fact it was mainly Asian men.

Why can we not simply face up to facts that this was an absolute travesty and it is still going on?

They are rioting in Ireland after the alleged race of a 10 year old girl that took place in an immigrant hostel.

Who's "they"?

petra

Perhaps Jess Phillips could go one step further and appoint the senior police officer who was pointed out to her ( Maggie Oliver) by one of the victims as one of her rapists. 🤬
It’s not beyond the realms of possibility as I’m sure she’s not aware of this fact.

Sorry, petra. I'm not sure I've understood your post correctly. If I have, I'm surprised somebody else hasn't commented. Just to clarify ... are you saying that one of the victims has accused Maggie Oliver as a rapist?

(Apologies if I'm being stupid and have misunderstood.)

Good post Oreo

Wyllow3
It was set up to look into the grooming gangs in Bradford in this particular case and in other cities in general.The ethnicity of these gangs was Pakistani heritage men.They went to children’s homes and preyed on vulnerable young girls and in some cases boys.It’s been an absolute outrage that society didn’t know about at the time but police and social services did but effectively shrugged and looked the other way.
There are other types of sexual abuse including within the home, but this investigation is about grooming gangs, can these poor abused kids at least have this?
The Conservatives didn’t do enough it’s true but Labour promised to be different in so many ways.This enquiry is already buckling at the knees.

The voices of the victims are really the ONLY pertinent ones in this matter conflating their historic exploitation with the wider issue of sexual abuse per se. undoubtedly emanating from the dominant ethnic white population, because they still represent around 80% plus of the make up of our country. To cite that in what has evolved as a niche situation is a smokescreen and a side issue, but worst of all an obfuscation as to what should be being addressed.

To quote directly from the victims who have removed themselves, extracts obtained by campaign group Open Justice UK appeared to contradict the letter sent by Ms Phillips to the Commons' Committee.

Many victims believe widening the inquiry will dilute its focus on the failure of local authorities, police and other officials to tackle grooming by largely Pakistani gangs.

Last night Ms Goddard, one of the victims called on the minister to resign or be fired.

"Jess Phillips needs to be removed because I don't think her conduct...this last 24 hours especially, has been acceptable for the position that she holds" Ms Goddard told Channel 4 News. "She has publicly accused me of lying when she knows I'm telling the truth" Earlier she said "BEING DISMISSED AND CONTRADICTED BY A MINISTER WHEN YOU'RE TELLING THE TRUTH TAKES YOU RIGHT BACK TO THE FEELING OF NOT BEING BELIEVED ALL OVER AGAIN"

Perhaps Jess Phillips could go one step further and appoint the senior police officer who was pointed out to her ( Maggie Oliver) by one of the victims as one of her rapists. 🤬
It’s not beyond the realms of possibility as I’m sure she’s not aware of this fact.

GrannyGravy13

Just listening to Maggie Oliver and one of the survivors.

Disgusting outburst from Jess Phillips, so much for being the Minister for Safeguarding.

These enquiries should focus on the Asian Grooming Gangs and the way these girls were dismissed.

The Councils and Police Departments were running scared in case they were seen as racist…

Absolutely this!

They tried to “broaden” the scope of the inquiry to take the focus away from the fact it was mainly Asian men.

Why can we not simply face up to facts that this was an absolute travesty and it is still going on?

They are rioting in Ireland after the alleged race of a 10 year old girl that took place in an immigrant hostel.

Just listening to Maggie Oliver and one of the survivors.

Disgusting outburst from Jess Phillips, so much for being the Minister for Safeguarding.

These enquiries should focus on the Asian Grooming Gangs and the way these girls were dismissed.

The Councils and Police Departments were running scared in case they were seen as racist…

Wyllow3

eazybee

It is dishonest and quite deliberate, and a tactic that Labour employ with increasing frequency; refusing to admit the situation, denying it exists, then agreeing to an investigation but simply ignoring it.
Inquiries were promised after Jess Phillips did her best to limit them to five only; there was footage of her in Parliament blaming the Tories for everything because it happened during their watch. Perhaps now she realises the difficulties and obstructions they and anyone else has in conducting an investigation with people as unfortunately influential as Sadiq Khan denying the facts.

Excuse me: the initial report on the grooming gangs came out in 2022 under the Conservative government, with 22 recommendations, and only one was put in place by the conservatives, that was to set up units in some cities with special knowledge and powers

It was left. Nothing was done to follow up on prosecutions nor protection for women and girls still being abused

So the Labour Party combine and have actually implemented more of those recommendations. Clearly coverups are completely wrong, I would never defend them, but lets ask the question

Why didnt Boris Johnson and then Truss and then Sunak move ahead on prosecutions? Why didn't they put any more measures in place to protect those still being abused

and note: Maggie Oliver is not just concerned with abuse done by those of non white origin: she covers all abuse, including that of young men

So why are we only talking about those abusers yet again and ignoring the huge levels of domestic abuse going on day after day, in homes of white people, white gangs?

Speaking as a victim of co-ercive abuse over 11 years and a member of the Labour Party I can assure you that most of us do not support suppressing any abuse whatsoever. And I ask again

why was it not immediately tacked after the years long, huge cost,

Here is the report: there was ample evidence to then proceed further over 3 years ago

www.iicsa.org.uk/index.html

Excellent, clear and factual post Willow. Thank you.

You will be personally attacked, I'm afraid. So I felt you needed to know there are those who appreciate you taking your time to do this.

petra I have heard the interviews with these brave young women, you are correct in your assessment stitch up