Grooming gangs in London

I thought that's what you meant Fried.

fancythat

Casdon

I don’t buy it Galaxy. A huge amount of resources goes into public inquiries. Whether they ever achieve what they set out to do is a moot point in my opinion. What they offer though is an opportunity for victims to be heard, and hopefully some shared learning which affects policy. Why should some get the chance and others not in what will be a one off inquiry? I would be incandescent if I had been groomed by a white, or black gang. What is the difference to you if you’re the victim, would be my question. Of course there are issues specific to some gangs (bearing in mind ‘Asian’ is a broad church, and men of different religions and countries were involved, with a number of gangs mixed in nature) and they are an important aspect from which lessons must be learned.

You managed to answer your owns questions well, in your own last 4 lines.

I didn’t? I can’t see any benefit in doing half a job in an inquiry, which is what it would be if only some grooming gangs were incorporated. Every gang is in fact different, whether some or all of the men involved are from one country and/or religion, or whether others are also involved, or whether it’s a gang with no ‘Asian’ men, but other men are involved. The inquirywill no doubt identify some clear groups, and make some specific recommendations accordingly, but it’s only part of the picture.

No the blindfold IS important!
It enables impartiality - no differentiation with colour/ethnicity. ✔️

Casdon

I don’t buy it Galaxy. A huge amount of resources goes into public inquiries. Whether they ever achieve what they set out to do is a moot point in my opinion. What they offer though is an opportunity for victims to be heard, and hopefully some shared learning which affects policy. Why should some get the chance and others not in what will be a one off inquiry? I would be incandescent if I had been groomed by a white, or black gang. What is the difference to you if you’re the victim, would be my question. Of course there are issues specific to some gangs (bearing in mind ‘Asian’ is a broad church, and men of different religions and countries were involved, with a number of gangs mixed in nature) and they are an important aspect from which lessons must be learned.

You managed to answer your owns questions well, in your own last 4 lines.

MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

*MaizieD^ Themis wasn’t originally depicted blindfolded.

The blindfold was a later addition said to have originated from the Roman goddess Justitia (Justice)

Let's just say that the blindfold is irrelevant.

What is relevant is the scales, which weigh the evidence.

Definitely, I have nothing to do until GS arrives from school, so I am wasting my time on GN…

GrannyGravy13

*MaizieD^ Themis wasn’t originally depicted blindfolded.

The blindfold was a later addition said to have originated from the Roman goddess Justitia (Justice)

Let's just say that the blindfold is irrelevant.

What is relevant is the scales, which weigh the evidence.

*MaizieD^ Themis wasn’t originally depicted blindfolded.

The blindfold was a later addition said to have originated from the Roman goddess Justitia (Justice)

AI Overview

No, the Statue of Liberty does not wear a blindfold; she is the Roman goddess Libertas.

The blindfold is a feature of Lady Justice, a different allegorical figure who represents the administration of law, and she holds a sword and scales. While some depictions of Lady Justice wear a blindfold to symbolize impartiality, the Statue of Liberty does not.

Statue of Liberty: She is the personification of liberty, holding a torch and a tablet, but not a blindfold or scales.

Lady Justice: This figure represents the justice system and is often depicted blindfolded, with scales in one hand and a sword in the other. The blindfold signifies that justice should be impartial and not swayed by power, status, or wealth.

MaizieD

^The Statue of Liberty wears a blindfold^.

No it doesn't.

Oops. My error.
Lady Justice it is. But you get my drift of impartiality.

MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

Themies (sp) the Ancient Greek goddess of law and justice is portrayed as blindfolded.

Where?

Certainly not the one we are all familiar with.

Blindfold: Later depictions of Themis often include a blindfold, representing her impartiality and the idea that justice is blind to individual status.

I don’t buy it Galaxy. A huge amount of resources goes into public inquiries. Whether they ever achieve what they set out to do is a moot point in my opinion. What they offer though is an opportunity for victims to be heard, and hopefully some shared learning which affects policy. Why should some get the chance and others not in what will be a one off inquiry? I would be incandescent if I had been groomed by a white, or black gang. What is the difference to you if you’re the victim, would be my question. Of course there are issues specific to some gangs (bearing in mind ‘Asian’ is a broad church, and men of different religions and countries were involved, with a number of gangs mixed in nature) and they are an important aspect from which lessons must be learned.

GrannyGravy13

Themies (sp) the Ancient Greek goddess of law and justice is portrayed as blindfolded.

Where?

Certainly not the one we are all familiar with.

Themies (sp) the Ancient Greek goddess of law and justice is portrayed as blindfolded.

Maremia

Were you thinking of Justice, perhaps?

Contrary to popular belief, the statue of the goddess of Justice on the Old Bailey (dating from 1907) doesn't have a blindfold either.

www.geograph.org.uk/photo/5417053

Yes in my experience it is. Quite frequently the feminism that is cheered on by large sections of society is feminism that does very little for women and frequently centres men. The other kind of feminism/safeguarding, the one which makes a difference, usually involves those doing it being labelled as troublemakers. It is a fairly well known pattern.

If She is 'blind', she is listening to evidence of the crime, not looking at the 'colour' of the criminal.
Is that what you mean?

I know there were others speaking out but Maggie shouted loudest. Good for her.

Were you thinking of Justice, perhaps?

Galaxy

There are specific issues, in the way there were specific issues relating to the Catholic Church.
When people get upset because you are talking about a specific issue relating to women and girls, generally that it a good indicator you are doing something right.

Is it really Galaxy? We do like to put people in boxes, don’t we.

The Statue of Liberty wears a blindfold.

No it doesn't.

And is that not very racist?

And I certainly do not bandy that word around very often.

Mt61

Maelil

You’re accusing Maggie Oliver of being a rapist?!

I don’t think she meant MO to be a rapist

Oh, For F***'s Sake!!
(Shakes head in despair)

^A focus on Asian/Pakistani gangs who abuse white girls stigmatises Asian males and gives the impression that all of them are sexual predators.
^

So dont look?
Dont investigate?

And is that not very racist?

And in the meantime let it continue. If it is happening?

There are specific issues, in the way there were specific issues relating to the Catholic Church.
When people get upset because you are talking about a specific issue relating to women and girls, generally that it a good indicator you are doing something right.

Mt61

Kate1949

Without the 'fuss' Maggie Oliver made so much of this wouldn't have come to light.

There were others who tried their best to bring it to the attention of authorities.
Sara Rowbotham, Jane Senior, youth worker in Rotherham.

They did yes and all credit to them but MO has carried on and resigned from the Police as she was so concerned and disgusted. That must have been a massive decision after her long career in the Police.

She could be sitting with her feet up and not bothering any more but she carries on. She is a very determined woman.

She said last night she would not chair the enquiry because she would never be invited because she knows too much. 😉