Grooming gangs in London

This thread leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It’s as though the victims of white grooming gangs don’t deserve inclusion or the same level of scrutiny. I wonder how the victims of the grooming gang in Bolton for example, which only came to court earlier this year, feel about that? Do posters know that cases still in the judicial system, and cases in London, which this thread was about, all relate solely to Asian gangs, because I’ve not heard that anywhere?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

^A focus on Asian/Pakistani gangs who abuse white girls stigmatises Asian males and gives the impression that all of them are sexual predators^.

No it doesn’t at all growstuff. Stop splitting hairs.

Undeniably Pakistani rape gangs have been operating for nigh on 20 years now, pretty much unchecked. In areas where Councils were/are Labour run (votes anyone? Always important to an MP especially if hanging on by a very slim majority so let’s not upset the apple cart 🤔).

Taxi drivers (mostly) offering fast food treats, alcohol and drugs to girls who were often ‘in care’ (that’s a laugh in itself - how does that even pretend to be look ing after vulnerable, emotionally needy young teens who constantly went AWOL and came ‘home’ sometimes days later - having been ‘passed around’ by said males). One girl has said 60 men raped her over an extended period of time. Ye gods. Just let that thought alone permeate one’s mind.

But to even suggest that by focusing on these known perpetrators vilify a whole ethnicity is just plain daft (and insulting).

Anyone, no matter what creed, colour o religion should be held to account. No fear, no favour. Same just laws for everyone please.

The Statue of Liberty wears a blindfold.
That’s how it should be.

Well said FGT

Maelil

You’re accusing Maggie Oliver of being a rapist?!

I don’t think she meant MO to be a rapist

A focus on Asian/Pakistani gangs who abuse white girls stigmatises Asian males and gives the impression that all of them are sexual predators.

No it doesn’t at all growstuff. Stop splitting hairs.

Undeniably Pakistani rape gangs have been operating for nigh on 20 years now, pretty much unchecked. In areas where Councils were/are Labour run (votes anyone? Always important to an MP especially if hanging on by a very slim majority so let’s not upset the apple cart 🤔).

Taxi drivers (mostly) offering fast food treats, alcohol and drugs to girls who were often ‘in care’ (that’s a laugh in itself - how does that even pretend to be look ing after vulnerable, emotionally needy young teens who constantly went AWOL and came ‘home’ sometimes days later - having been ‘passed around’ by said males). One girl has said 60 men raped her over an extended period of time. Ye gods. Just let that thought alone permeate one’s mind.

But to even suggest that by focusing on these known perpetrators vilify a whole ethnicity is just plain daft (and insulting).

Anyone, no matter what creed, colour o religion should be held to account. No fear, no favour. Same just laws for everyone please.

The Statue of Liberty wears a blindfold.
That’s how it should be.

You didn’t “misunderstand” it. That was what was written. The problem was the very poor syntax.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Who in their right minds conceived of a plan to put an ex police man and Labour Party member up as a candidate in the first place?

All the thousands of pounds wasted on this attempted appointment so far.

Personally I’d put a respected retired officer from the Army or Royal Navy as Chair in this inquiry.

Could they not apply for an impartial chair from another country there must be someone out there who would have the knowledge and experience to do it
I wish it could be Maggie Oliver but unfortunately it could backfire as she may deem to have a bias
I wouldn’t even mind Baroness Casey

You’re accusing Maggie Oliver of being a rapist?!

Why do you dislike her so much?

Tall Poppy Syndrome?

growstuff

Mt61

Oh GS I don’t believe that to be the case. MO has worked tirelessly to help these victims.

So have others. They just don't make such a big fuss about what they do.

How on earth can you say that? She works tirelessly for these girls and heads the Maggie Oliver Foundation. I have never heard her bigging herself up or making a fuss as you call it.

She has to be in the media spotlight to promote her organisation and remind people of what has been happening for decades and will continue unless something is done to stop it.

Why do you dislike her so much?

Kate1949

Without the 'fuss' Maggie Oliver made so much of this wouldn't have come to light.

There were others who tried their best to bring it to the attention of authorities.
Sara Rowbotham, Jane Senior, youth worker in Rotherham.

growstuff

Mt61

Nurseundercover

Maggie Oliver should be commissioned to head the whole investigation, she is knowledgeable, thorough and has integrity. A fantastic lady, where is her knighthood?

Absolutely 💯 she should get an award of some merit

Hmm ... I suspect that's what she wants.

Spiteful comment.

growstuff

Mt61

Nurseundercover

Maggie Oliver should be commissioned to head the whole investigation, she is knowledgeable, thorough and has integrity. A fantastic lady, where is her knighthood?

Absolutely 💯 she should get an award of some merit

Hmm ... I suspect that's what she wants.

That's a very cynical remark. What makes you think that MO is looking for an award??

Without the 'fuss' Maggie Oliver made so much of this wouldn't have come to light.

Will check out your link later, thanks growstuff.

MaizieD

@growstuff

Thanks for the link to the research article you posted earlier.

I'm making a start on it.

I took a couple of breaks, but there's some interesting stuff in it. Refreshingly, it's a proper academic article.

@growstuff

Thanks for the link to the research article you posted earlier.

I'm making a start on it.

Mt61

Oh GS I don’t believe that to be the case. MO has worked tirelessly to help these victims.

A person who is impartial is needed. Maggie Oliver has too much baggage.

Mt61

Oh GS I don’t believe that to be the case. MO has worked tirelessly to help these victims.

So have others. They just don't make such a big fuss about what they do.

Iam64

I don’t agree that agencies “pretended it wasn’t happening”. We’ve all seen shocking examples of girls and their families being very badly served by police, sw and other agencies.

Yes growstuff, changes were made in police and social work. We need an inquiry focussed solely on organised child sexuality exploitation by men of largely Muslim Pakistani background, on white girls, children and some boys.

I have always believed the majority of these men are unlikely to confine their abuse to children outside their families, Its safeguarding practice to investigate whether an abuser has access to children at work or in family

I'm not disagreeing with you. Yes, there needs to be an inquiry with that focus and there needs to be some action as a result of any conclusions the inquiry draws.

I'm glad there have been changes in police and social work - hopefully, that will be acknowledged and continue to happen.

Ideally, of course, there should not be a need for police and social worker involvement, if there were some focus on prevention. By the time abuse has taken place and police and social workers become involved, the damage has already been done.

I don't have enough experience to know how sexual exploitation and abuse could be prevented.

Although, I think this inquiry should have a specific focus, we shouldn't forget that survivors of Pakistani/Asian gangs are only a small percentage of the total.

I really wish Jim Gamble had been appointed as Chair.

I dont think she is suitable to lead the enquiry, although she most definitely have a part in it. A major witness.

This is quite simply becuase she was actually involved herself, as a policewoman, in all the events, in the early days

You have to have someone who wasn't involved.

Just listened to a good discussion on R4 news about it, it will be on catch up.

Oh GS I don’t believe that to be the case. MO has worked tirelessly to help these victims.

I second Maggie Oliver to lead the enquiry, she has the knowledge and passion to get justice for these girls.

Mt61

Nurseundercover

Maggie Oliver should be commissioned to head the whole investigation, she is knowledgeable, thorough and has integrity. A fantastic lady, where is her knighthood?

Absolutely 💯 she should get an award of some merit

Hmm ... I suspect that's what she wants.

Primrose53

I highly recommend the book “You Can’t have my daughter” by Elizabeth McDonnell. She adopted a 10 year old girl over 20 years ago. Elizabeth is a very well educated, caring person who held positions in social services and charity organisations.
Her adopted daughter had been in care for several years.

Sadly the Asian grooming gangs in Oxford got her in their clutches soon after she moved in and even though Elizabeth had strong connections in high places she was unable to get the help they desperately needed.

Her daughter was drugged, manipulated and sold along with other white British girls. Some of the abuse was so awful they could not be reported in the media when it finally got to the Old Bailey.

It is a horrific account of how devious, disgusting and manipulative these evil men are and how they all work together. No young girl is safe with men like this around.

I would think Elizabeth would make a good Chair for this enquiry - if she has the strength after all she and her daughter went through. I have to just repeat this was over 20 years ago and STILL Asian grooming gangs are out there.

Oh my, I’ve read that book, so very sad.

Nurseundercover

Maggie Oliver should be commissioned to head the whole investigation, she is knowledgeable, thorough and has integrity. A fantastic lady, where is her knighthood?

Absolutely 💯 she should get an award of some merit