Grooming gangs in London

Maremia

Were the girls not in care? And therefore living away from their families?

Apparently the staff of these care homes were going out to the taxis to pay the fares.
So after being raped & abused, the perpetrators wanted the taxi fare- quite disgusting.

She means appoint the rapist copper.
A copper was pointed out to MO as being a rapist.

Maremia

Were the girls not in care? And therefore living away from their families?

No not all of them. They were all just vulnerable so easy prey. Some came from dysfunctional families, some even from families who tried very hard to get them away from the abusers, who got zero help from police and social services.

Thanks Cossy.

Maremia

Were the girls not in care? And therefore living away from their families?

Not all of them, no.

Were the girls not in care? And therefore living away from their families?

Allsorts

The victims of Asian Grooming Gangs should be heard, if it was up to me the lot of those gang member would never see daylight again, they are scum of the earth. Those two girls left that inquiry they had fought so hard for as. once again they were not listened too, which says it all. This inquiry shows that others in important positions are involved. Wanted it dumbed down, Let them be flushed out with a different panel chosen by Maggie, she knows more about it and genuinely cares. Would you like to think of a young girl, your daughter, going through what they have, Those low life didn't do it to their own race just white girls already vulnerable, they are the racists.
We owe these girls justice but that and no amount of money can ever give them peace of mind. They were children, not in any way at fault.
Plaster every one of those evil men faces across the newspapers. I don't believe their families didn't know.,

Agree entirely 👍

Wyllow

I completely agree with your statements.

I too have worked with both victims of Domestic Abuse and those abused more widely as young women.

It’s counter productive to concentrate merely on gangs of non British abusers, abusers come in all colours, races and religions.

It’s the actual victims we should be concerned with and the catching and punishing of the perpetrators which are the most important factors.

It is also being reported that not all Victims think that Jess Phillips is at fault.
And that is an evolving barrier to justice, which of course will suit any who wish to derail the process.

It is being reported that 2 of the victims have now said if Jess Phillips is not involved they may come back.

DaisyAnneReturns All laws must apply to all. All victims, all perpetrators.

I thought one of the objects of the inquiry was to fully discover and expose the callous cover ups perpetuated by police and social services. They knew what was going on under their noses but chose to ignore, deflect and even hold the child victims responsible. This in the name of not increasing racial tensions. The fear of being called racist overrode any concern or compassion for the mainly white victims whose plight was dismissed as self inflicted. The laws were not applied to these perpetrators.

For this reason I can understand some victims not trusting a chair who has come from either background. Those authorities covered up before why would the victims feel confident they wouldn't do so again? Nobody wants a repeat of the trite "lessons have/will be learned" platitudes which too often demonstrably haven't been.

non of the political parties will come out of this well

Yes, indeed.

What a sad mess.

Actually stripeygran, I think you have just proved my point.🤔

I can only assume you haven’t read the thread

StripeyGran non of the political parties will come out of this well.

There is plenty of oh but the Conservatives didn’t do this or Labour councillors kept quiet in the media and on GN.

I don’t give a flying pig who is in Government, I just want the perpetrators held to account. In this context it means the Pakistani grooming gangs, along with the now disclosed grooming gangs in and around London.

In my opinion the current enquiry should focus on the Pakistani grooming gangs and not be side tracked or watered down with other testimonies of abuse.

Maybe there should be a separate investigation into sexual/coercive abuse in the U.K.?

Lathyrus3

I agree.

I think the posts on here, that reveal people more interested in defending their political party, than in justice fir the abused, are a real reflection of what is going on in the enquiry.

The crime and the victims have been lost in the political manoeuvring.

I think that's pretty low to be honest.

Which posts demonstrate loyalty to a political party above horror and compassion for the victims?

Lathyrus3 I agree

I agree.

I think the posts on here, that reveal people more interested in defending their political party, than in justice fir the abused, are a real reflection of what is going on in the enquiry.

The crime and the victims have been lost in the political manoeuvring.

I highly recommend the book “You Can’t have my daughter” by Elizabeth McDonnell. She adopted a 10 year old girl over 20 years ago. Elizabeth is a very well educated, caring person who held positions in social services and charity organisations.
Her adopted daughter had been in care for several years.

Sadly the Asian grooming gangs in Oxford got her in their clutches soon after she moved in and even though Elizabeth had strong connections in high places she was unable to get the help they desperately needed.

Her daughter was drugged, manipulated and sold along with other white British girls. Some of the abuse was so awful they could not be reported in the media when it finally got to the Old Bailey.

It is a horrific account of how devious, disgusting and manipulative these evil men are and how they all work together. No young girl is safe with men like this around.

I would think Elizabeth would make a good Chair for this enquiry - if she has the strength after all she and her daughter went through. I have to just repeat this was over 20 years ago and STILL Asian grooming gangs are out there.

Maremia

One of the Survivors suggested looking for a non-British person, and therefore not involved in the crime in any way, who was very competent in British law, as Chair.

That’s just what I was thinking this morning.Someone who is truly outside it all and can be relied on to be impartial.

Has she been an effective voice? I know people keep saying this about Jess Phillips but that doesn't make it true. I have never seen her as a particularly effective campaigner in this area. I almost think it is one of thoe things that seems to be true because lots of people repeat it.

Same here vintage 1950

I've always admired Jess Phillips. She seems totally sincere and dedicated to her safeguarding work. Two of the abused girls have decided to remain. It's time to implement the recommendations of previous reports.

growstuff

Allsorts I get what you're saying, but I don't think it's quite that simple. I have a feeling that Maggie Oliver is behind some of it and I know she's seen a saint by some, but I don't trust her to be impartial (sorry, just a gut feeling but I don't say it lightly).

The girls have been listened to. If you delve a bit deeper and find the letters they've written, there is proof they were listened to. Some of them didn't like the directions which seem to have been taken. They've been told that they have misunderstood some things which were said to them (and, as far as I can tell, I think they have got a couple of things wrong), but that's not the same as lying. Targeting Jess Phillips is interesting, given her background.

I really do think they're being manipulated by people who want to use the whole issue as a political football - as something else to beat Labour for. Maybe there is persona gain involved or maybe the people who stand to lose are engineering a cover up. If you think about who stands to lose, it's the abusers and the authorities responsible for not following up and/or cover ups - some of the individuals involved are still working.

I think this story is going to run and run before any inquiry gets started ... and I think there are going to be some high profile casualties.

PS. I just realised I'm turning into a conspiracy theorist - think I'd better go and have another coffee!

Thanks for this growstuff, I was out last night, so catching up.

My understanding is the majority of survivors remain involved and express trust in Jess Phillips. This inquiry is complex and it’s inevitable it will raise all kinds of emotions in survivors. I heard two of those who have left interviewed, they were articulate and clear in expressing views and feelings.

I know Louise Casey advised against a Judge led inquiry, to avoid delay. Jim Gamble (? Retired police) is impressive and imo seemed a good choice. I dint know enough about the other lead with a social work background but I’ve no reason to conclude her work history, like that if the police chief, would have been anything other than an asset. I could name retired Judges who imo would bring real expertise to the role. I can’t see any advantage in bringing in a chair who has no expertise in safeguarding

I’m fed up with this being a political football. We need all political parties to work cooperatively,

Isn't the inquiry looking into the fact that crimes committed by the Pakistani grooming gangs (I think this description is more appropriate) was covered up by people in authority.
In the past crimes were covered up by the BBC, the Church of England and local authorities...we had inquiries into them and the abusers (white) were dealt with...maybe we should have spread the net wider, we may have found evidence of Pakistani's grooming young white girls then.