Another stabbing by an immigrant. When do we wake up and smell the coffee?

(that was to FGT as we regularly cross swords)

🥰 provocative again, huh?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Tariffs would help. Maybe.
Or blocking visas.
Or denying overseas aid.
Or hey - how about a Rwanda type scheme?
Germany is looking at one …

Actually, this is an example of what will help. Negotiating return deals is far more productive than punitive measures..
news.sky.com/story/vietnamese-migrants-to-be-returned-under-new-deal-with-uk-13460147

And expensive.
For very little return.

We can’t go it alone.
No we can't but it all seems very disjointed.

Tariffs would help. Maybe.
Or blocking visas.
Or denying overseas aid.
Or hey - how about a Rwanda type scheme?
Germany is looking at one …

FriedGreenTomatoes2

^I'm not even a Tory voter, let alone Reform, but I think the general public is becoming more and more concerned by the current situation with illegal immigration and the numbers of asylum seekers, which is more and more worrying.^

Indeed Allira.
Some of us on here were ahead of the curve (and got castigated into the bargain!).
Now?
It’s more apparent that things are getting worse, Labour cannot Smash the Gangs and Joe Public know it.

It does seem to be a topic of conversation wherever we go now.

Your ‘ahead of the curve’ is what some would call ‘off the money’ FriedGreenTomatoes2, because your understanding of the need to put in a large number of laws and measures to actually make a difference to migration is apparently limited. There is no silver bullet, or quick solution to deal with longstanding, complex, world wide issues like this. We can’t go it alone.

I'm not even a Tory voter, let alone Reform, but I think the general public is becoming more and more concerned by the current situation with illegal immigration and the numbers of asylum seekers, which is more and more worrying.

Indeed Allira.
Some of us on here were ahead of the curve (and got castigated into the bargain!).
Now?
It’s more apparent that things are getting worse, Labour cannot Smash the Gangs and Joe Public know it.

So are we saying that because we have a huge problem with violent knife crime in this country it is a good idea to welcome more from other countries?

The situation will be much, much worse if France actually do nothing sundowngirl, they don’t have to assist the UK do they? It’s all down to goodwill and diplomacy, and if they choose to do so they can just lay down the drawbridge and stand back.

FGT2
America doesn’t seem to have a problem chucking out illegals.

They failed to throw out Trump's Grandad!

Casdon

FriedGreenTomatoes2

America doesn’t seem to have a problem chucking out illegals.
They don’t need an ECHR equivalent either.
Cooperation? 😂😂😂
Not working very well is it right now?

Capitulation more like.
And it’s costing us too.

That’s not a sensible comparison. We don’t have any bargaining power compared to the USA. Other countries can put two fingers up and say get lost, can’t they?

Or like France take millions of pounds from us and still do nothing

FriedGreenTomatoes2

America doesn’t seem to have a problem chucking out illegals.
They don’t need an ECHR equivalent either.
Cooperation? 😂😂😂
Not working very well is it right now?

Capitulation more like.
And it’s costing us too.

That’s not a sensible comparison. We don’t have any bargaining power compared to the USA. Other countries can put two fingers up and say get lost, can’t they?

TerriBull

Exactly! Allira, 4 other countries had concerns about him, can't understand why he was allowed to roam around. Now an innocent man minding his own business has had his life taken. Again like Rhiannon he was a parent, his children left fatherless. Meanwhile the muderer, who naturally has a long sentence will cost the country a fortune being housed in one of our over crowded prisons.

I know you to be a very reasonabl poster, Terribull and I think many of us are.
I'm not even a Tory voter, let alone Reform, but I think the general public is becoming more and more concerned by the current situation with illegal immigration and the numbers of asylum seekers, which is more and more worrying.

To claim we are all anti-immigration, as some do, is just a spurious argument and totall untrue.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

America doesn’t seem to have a problem chucking out illegals.
They don’t need an ECHR equivalent either.
Cooperation? 😂😂😂
Not working very well is it right now?

Capitulation more like.
And it’s costing us too.

Perhaps, as you admire Trump so much, you might like living there!

Personally, I think what Trump is doing will have many future repercussions, as many of his actions will.

Do I want a Trump running the UK? No thanks.

Yes great post. We do have criminals here already of course yet we are inviting in even more. This country will never be the great place I was once proud of.

Sueinkent

Over 100,000 immigrants arrive legally and they should be welcome. It seems to me anyone who arrives illegally (about 40,000) should be put straight on a plane back to their home country. A person at risk will have their application granted legally.

Sadly, it appears you don’t fully understand the asylum process actually works.

Under International Law anyone from any country can make an application for asylum in any country of their choice.

In order to make said application they have to physically be in the country in which they have chosen to seek asylum.

There are simply no simple easy routes for genuine asylum seekers to enter our country. Often they have no papers, no passports, not because they destroyed them, (though some do this), but because the dictators in their country of origin have confiscated them.

America doesn’t seem to have a problem chucking out illegals.
They don’t need an ECHR equivalent either.
Cooperation? 😂😂😂
Not working very well is it right now?

Capitulation more like.
And it’s costing us too.

Stopping small boats and lorries with migrants entering the UK is dependent on strong working relationships with Northern European countries, particularly with France. Reform have a combative relationship with those countries, which is not a recipe for working in partnership. Enforced returns are dependent on other countries too. Will they play ball? If they do, what will it cost? If they don’t, what happens next? I haven’t seen any detailed ideas from Reform, I think Farage knows they can’t deliver, so he won’t be staying around.

Teazel2

Wyllow3

I think your last comment was a completely fair one, Monica

We really do, on this thread, have to dial down the racism and see people as individuals in human terms. some very bad,whatevcer the background" some truly good, trying toward to end divisions based on race, others indifferent:

some very well informed: some acting out of sheer prejudice by that

I mean tarring all immigrants with the same brush when they have no personal knowledge of an individual whatsoever, and ignorant of the complexity of it all

*Those who jump to conclusions on the basis of a name being obviously Muslim*

Have you got racism on the brain?

That’s a really confrontational approach to what I read as Wyllows attempt to continue to develop discussion on Difficult Issues

sundowngirl

keepingquiet

Do you really think voting Reform will make any difference?

The small boats weren't an issue before Brexit...

They certainly couldn’t do any worse

I think that is the very issue and not really an argument- of course things could be a whole lot worse...

FriedGreenTomatoes2

No, but running and jumping onto lorries/containers in Calais was! Pre-Brexit.

Was that a better system I wonder? Maybe we should bring back the Rwanda scheme...?

keepingquiet

Do you really think voting Reform will make any difference?

The small boats weren't an issue before Brexit...

They certainly couldn’t do any worse

No, but running and jumping onto lorries/containers in Calais was! Pre-Brexit.