Another stabbing by an immigrant. When do we wake up and smell the coffee?

Do you really think voting Reform will make any difference?

The small boats weren't an issue before Brexit...

Bukkie

Kandinsky - Reform will be 100% getting my vote, my husband's vote and both my sons will vote for them.

Me too and DH

Exactly! Allira, 4 other countries had concerns about him, can't understand why he was allowed to roam around. Now an innocent man minding his own business has had his life taken. Again like Rhiannon he was a parent, his children left fatherless. Meanwhile the muderer, who naturally has a long sentence will cost the country a fortune being housed in one of our over crowded prisons.

Well it won't be as simple as do immigrants commit more crimes will it. My guess is that people coming to this country from France say might have a different offending profile of those from Afghanistan.
I don't think it is possible to theorise that men who commit crime are being influenced by say listening to andrew tate, but that men who have lived in cultures which treat women badly aren't influenced at all.

TerriBull

I'm wondering why the failed migrant, refused asylum who went on to stab the man in bank queue in Derby, who he didn't know, was allowed back on the streets to commit that crime I believe he'd been rejected by 4 other countries. before he came here.

I don't understand either why, having been refused asylum, this man was allowed to walk around our streets freely.

There must be good reason why the UK and four other countries refused him asylum. How was he free to go from country to country and not deported back to his home country?

Post on Facebook from The Times and the Sunday Times,
'Are immigrants more likely to commit crimes? Nigel Farage has his own figures and they are quite arresting. But his figures come from farely ropey Internet sources.'

I'm wondering why the failed migrant, refused asylum who went on to stab the man in bank queue in Derby, who he didn't know, was allowed back on the streets to commit that crime I believe he'd been rejected by 4 other countries. before he came here.

silverlining48

That would be many people’s idea of hell.
They will 100% not be getting my vote.

Nor mine

Of course there will be problems with new technology.
Of course it will be expensive.
Keep at it, and make it work.

As usual, very little concern, if any, expressed for the victims of these senseless knife crimes, and as usual, politicians and the press held responsible for 'stirring it up.'

Wyllow3

I think your last comment was a completely fair one, Monica

We really do, on this thread, have to dial down the racism and see people as individuals in human terms. some very bad,whatevcer the background" some truly good, trying toward to end divisions based on race, others indifferent:

some very well informed: some acting out of sheer prejudice by that

I mean tarring all immigrants with the same brush when they have no personal knowledge of an individual whatsoever, and ignorant of the complexity of it all

*Those who jump to conclusions on the basis of a name being obviously Muslim*

Have you got racism on the brain?

NotSpaghetti

Of course we have no statistics to show stabbings by immigration status - is this any worse than born-here Brits?

Factors such as class, social standing, and socio-economic background are strongly correlated with violent crimes, (including knife crime) though.

Let's educate people and raise them out of poverty... that should help.

Simples

Maremia

Make the asylum process easier to manage and process. Employ the skills needed and the technology required.
That way, the 'genuine' are settled, and the 'not genuine' are removed.
It will be worth the investment.

An eye watering amount of money has/is being spent on a new system since 2021.
I know this because my daughter has been testing all the new tech that comes on stream.
AI is very much involved which causes its own problems because it’s becoming more and more advanced day by day meaning it has to fit with the new tech already installed.
If you think that a new site for one of the high street chains can take 6 months to develop and test, imagine what the HO Asylum seeker application looks like.

Wyllow3

I think your last comment was a completely fair one, Monica

We really do, on this thread, have to dial down the racism and see people as individuals in human terms. some very bad,whatevcer the background" some truly good, trying toward to end divisions based on race, others indifferent:

some very well informed: some acting out of sheer prejudice by that

I mean tarring all immigrants with the same brush when they have no personal knowledge of an individual whatsoever, and ignorant of the complexity of it all

*Those who jump to conclusions on the basis of a name being obviously Muslim*

Well, yes and no.
In any case you surely mean ‘dial down the xenophobia’ not racism.
We have to acknowledge that different cultures and countries view crimes differently .Touching a woman and pestering her for sex will not be considered a crime in lots of countries.
Countries where women are viewed as very much lesser beings don’t even think much of rape and prefer to blame the woman.
Some cultures ( including Afghanistan) think nothing of whipping out a knife and using it on other men if they feel insulted or provoked .And so on and so forth.

It’s been reported today yet another illegal immigrant has been found guilty of stabbing a 37 year old Father of 3.

The victim was queueing in a bank.

The perpetrator was a 47 year old Somalian who was known to Police in four countries and had been arrested for violent disorder in the UK.

He had been refused asylum and was angry.

It would be interesting to find out how many of the illegal immigrants are 'qualified professionals'. I doubt if many are or they would come through the legal routes

Wyllow3

I think I've entered a parallel universe where crimes like this, sadly not unusual, are only given press interest when it's "an immigrant"

Working class people are more likely than higher social categories to be adversely affected by immigration . This is because immigration really does decrease the numbers of available working class jobs, Higher social classes are more likely to benefit from immigration because higher social classes are not disadvantaged by relative plenty of manual labour and can reap all the benefits with none of the disadvantages.

Not all immigrants are manual workers , and many are qualified professionals. Those are welcomed by most whatever their social class.

There is a vocal group who are blind especially to the talents and usefulness to society of Muslims and brown -skinned people generally. Those parblind ones are influenced by certain media and friends who read the same media. What powers the engine is confirmation bias.

NotSpaghetti

I think the story about the mosque Teazel2 was also misrepresented.
If it had said it was a men and boys race it wouldn't have been noticed.

Of course it would. Whatever spin you put on it, the females were excluded as they frequently are

100% votes from us for Reform too.

I think the story about the mosque Teazel2 was also misrepresented.
If it had said it was a men and boys race it wouldn't have been noticed.

Kandinsky - Reform will be 100% getting my vote, my husband's vote and both my sons will vote for them.

That would be many people’s idea of hell.
They will 100% not be getting my vote.

Our only hope is reform doing really well in the next election.
They’ll 100% be getting my vote.

Foxie, have just caught up with your post. Was skimming earlier.
Just so sorry to read that.

StoneofDestiny

*Doesn’t anyone think of 1939 and see any parallels?*

Yes - sadly, particularly when I see posts like Sago has put up.

Please explain further.

What exactly are you implying?