Another stabbing by an immigrant. When do we wake up and smell the coffee?

sundowngirl

Casdon

This man was not an asylum seeker. He had right to remain.

He was an asylum seeker, he arrived illegally in the back of a lorry and was then given right to remain.

He was not an asylum seeker when he committed murder sundowngirl, he had been one previously and was granted the right to remain in the UK. It is a different category of criminal.

growstuff

LadyGracie

Mass deportations, I am not a racist but the majority of these people do not and will not integrate, ever.

These people? Who exactly are these people? My son-in-law's parents were immigrants. I assume you'd deport them.

How about Rishi Sunak's or Zia Yusuf's parents? What about Kemi Badenoch? Or Danny Kruger's parents?

These people? Who exactly are these people? My son-in-law's parents were immigrants

Anecdotal?

We could all quote something similar.
We all know people who are immigrants and some are members of our families. I am fairly sure they will be legal immigrants, well-educated and hardworking, contributing positively to our society.

However, that is a diversion from the issue which faces us - that successive governments are failing to deal promptly and adequately with the numbers of illegal immigrants and asylum seekers arriving here by various means. Some are recruited by gangmasters and OC gangs.

It is a huge problem Europe-wide, no government seems to know how to sort this out and the public is becoming unhappy and restless, often stirred up more by politicians and by the Press.

That is the situation.

No amount of whataboutery and straw arguments can divert from this.

Over 100,000 immigrants arrive legally and they should be welcome. It seems to me anyone who arrives illegally (about 40,000) should be put straight on a plane back to their home country. A person at risk will have their application granted legally.

Foxie I am so sorry about what happened to your daughter, I hope with time her confidence will come back soon.

Maremia

Make the asylum process easier to manage and process. Employ the skills needed and the technology required.
That way, the 'genuine' are settled, and the 'not genuine' are removed.
It will be worth the investment.

8,000 illegal immigrants have been discovered working illegally in this country. These are the highest levels ever. This has cost £5million and they suspect there are a lot more.

Casdon

This man was not an asylum seeker. He had right to remain.

He arrived here in 2022 in the back of a lorry. He was granted asylum and did not live in migrant accommodation.
Where is his gratitude to our country for allowing him to stay?
Instead he killed a person, seriously injured others.

Make the asylum process easier to manage and process. Employ the skills needed and the technology required.
That way, the 'genuine' are settled, and the 'not genuine' are removed.
It will be worth the investment.

Terrible as such events are I doubt ( like Casdon) immigrants - legal or illegal - are any more likely to be involved than UK citizens proportionate to their numbers in the population.. The media overplay them (to increase audience and revenue) and some politicians and activists use the coverage to whip up anti-immigrant feeling (and that can lead to violence, rioting, arson, mobs, etc.) There was plenty of violent crime before large scale immigration.

sundown girl, he was granted right to remain because his case met out guidelines. I’m assuming checking out whether the indivual is capable of serious offending isn’t included in the assessment process

"I think, as far as this family is concerned their grief and distress would have been the same no matter who committed this vile crime."

But it wouldn't have happened if he hadn't been allowed into the country, or at least not allowed to roam the streets

Casdon

This man was not an asylum seeker. He had right to remain.

He was an asylum seeker, he arrived illegally in the back of a lorry and was then given right to remain.

I think your last comment was a completely fair one, Monica

We really do, on this thread, have to dial down the racism and see people as individuals in human terms. some very bad,whatevcer the background" some truly good, trying toward to end divisions based on race, others indifferent:

some very well informed: some acting out of sheer prejudice by that

I mean tarring all immigrants with the same brush when they have no personal knowledge of an individual whatsoever, and ignorant of the complexity of it all

Those who jump to conclusions on the basis of a name being obviously Muslim

eazybee

^However your chance of being stabbed by a migrant rather than by a UK citizen is very small indeed. Reporting in the media distorts the true picture^

Oh, so that's all right then. The same fatuous excuses every time.
I don't know the details of this latest case but I think of the woman in Walsall who was killed by an 'asylum seeker' who watched and followed her from the hotel where she worked and he was accommodated then murdered her brutally with a screwdriver, for no reason at all.

Tell that to her mother and her five year old son.

So it wouldn't have mattered if the man who killed her had been a white anglo-saxon protestant? This crime is only tragic because the assailant was a foreign immigrant. What if the immigrant had been here legally, a hospital consultant, for example, or a care worker, would that have changed the situation?

I think, as far as this family is concerned their grief and distress would have been the same no matter who committed this vile crime.

GrannyGravy13

Casdon

This man was not an asylum seeker. He had right to remain.

The right to remain should be immediately revoked.

If he is convicted, then wheels should be set in motion to deport him back to Afghanistan and a Taliban prison.

Might make others welcomed to our shores think twice before embarking on criminality of any sort…

Yes, I agree in principle. Without knowing why his asylum claim was accepted, though, it may not be straightforward.

Just want to pick up on this

"I was appalled to read of a mosque organising a race but prohibiting women over. 12 from taking part. This should have no place in any part if the UK."

I think the issue here is: do we deal with it with a carrot or a stick?

You see, I have seen with my own eyes the changes taking place for Muslim women.

That Mosque is very backward: my lovely Muslim hairdresser, or the young woman I met in the sauna dressed in a string bikini, who turned out to be Muslim...long natter

_they would not give that Mosque the time of day!! Not an inch! Not for a moment!

We really do have to stop making assumptions about "all Muslim men" and "all Muslim women", don't we, in the light of what is actually happening

Casdon

This man was not an asylum seeker. He had right to remain.

The right to remain should be immediately revoked.

If he is convicted, then wheels should be set in motion to deport him back to Afghanistan and a Taliban prison.

Might make others welcomed to our shores think twice before embarking on criminality of any sort…

Anyone caught carrying a knife, or any other weapon should be handed down a heavy sentence, but of course the prisons are overcrowded.

Committing a crime can get you a free ticket home, maybe?
A risky punt, I know, but there must be a lot of AS who have regrets; the grass is rarely greener on the other side.

This man was not an asylum seeker. He had right to remain.

Iam64

Kandinsky

foxie48

I’m very sorry to hear about your daughter. My daughter and her partner have also been the victims of serious violent crime ( their attackers were black, but that’s not the point here )
The point is, we’re all well aware that as a country we’re full of black & white scum violent criminals, but at least we know who they are. Do we need more?
Young men arriving in their 1000’s every month - no ID, no nothing. What’s their past? What do we know about them?
Nothing. And we put them up in hotels, let them wander around without knowing if they have a serious criminal history.
How is that right?
The problem with a lot of ( mostly left wing liberals) is they’re so pro asylum seeker they can’t see any harm in them. & even when they do commit serious crime they make excuses for them or bring out the ‘what abouts’ - every negative brushed under the carpet.

Kadinsky, I expect I’d be one poster you’d dismiss as a left wing liberal.
I struggle with the polarised way you dismiss posters who show any compassion or understanding of what might drive people to try and find refuge, or a better life by paying criminals to get them here on a small boat.
I also have seen no evidence that even when they commit serious crime they make excuses for the etc…

The problems raised by the exodus of people, mostly men, from Afghanistan, Lybia, Syria, Lebonon, Sudan and more are seen all over Northern Europe. There are historical, often imperialist reasons for this but it certainly isn’t something any government can resolve easily, or that would have happened.

Shouting at each other isn’t achieving anything. FWIW I’m pleased the current government plans to use eg former mi,Italy bases and continue to try to speed up the assessment process. I believe any man convicted of a sexual or violent offence should be deported to whatever country deemed mostly likely to be their original home.

I think you may be rather missing the point Iam64. I for one feel very compassionate about the conditions being such in some countries that natives from those countries want to leave in search of a better life.

It could have been me or my family if we had happened to be born there.

The issue is one of entering illegally. One poster above said she was glad of immigrants in hospitals and so am I. They would have entered legally.

The UK has a right to defend its borders and vet those wishing to live here. Integration is also important, our laws and customs need to be an accepted part of having a life here.

I was appalled to read of a mosque organising a race but prohibiting women over. 12 from taking part. This should have no place in any part if the UK.

Kandinsky

foxie48

I’m very sorry to hear about your daughter. My daughter and her partner have also been the victims of serious violent crime ( their attackers were black, but that’s not the point here )
The point is, we’re all well aware that as a country we’re full of black & white scum violent criminals, but at least we know who they are. Do we need more?
Young men arriving in their 1000’s every month - no ID, no nothing. What’s their past? What do we know about them?
Nothing. And we put them up in hotels, let them wander around without knowing if they have a serious criminal history.
How is that right?
The problem with a lot of ( mostly left wing liberals) is they’re so pro asylum seeker they can’t see any harm in them. & even when they do commit serious crime they make excuses for them or bring out the ‘what abouts’ - every negative brushed under the carpet.

Great post 👏👏👏👏👏👏so agree about left wing liberals.

Kandinsky

foxie48

I’m very sorry to hear about your daughter. My daughter and her partner have also been the victims of serious violent crime ( their attackers were black, but that’s not the point here )
The point is, we’re all well aware that as a country we’re full of black & white scum violent criminals, but at least we know who they are. Do we need more?
Young men arriving in their 1000’s every month - no ID, no nothing. What’s their past? What do we know about them?
Nothing. And we put them up in hotels, let them wander around without knowing if they have a serious criminal history.
How is that right?
The problem with a lot of ( mostly left wing liberals) is they’re so pro asylum seeker they can’t see any harm in them. & even when they do commit serious crime they make excuses for them or bring out the ‘what abouts’ - every negative brushed under the carpet.

Kadinsky, I expect I’d be one poster you’d dismiss as a left wing liberal.
I struggle with the polarised way you dismiss posters who show any compassion or understanding of what might drive people to try and find refuge, or a better life by paying criminals to get them here on a small boat.
I also have seen no evidence that even when they commit serious crime they make excuses for the etc…

The problems raised by the exodus of people, mostly men, from Afghanistan, Lybia, Syria, Lebonon, Sudan and more are seen all over Northern Europe. There are historical, often imperialist reasons for this but it certainly isn’t something any government can resolve easily, or that would have happened.

Shouting at each other isn’t achieving anything. FWIW I’m pleased the current government plans to use eg former mi,Italy bases and continue to try to speed up the assessment process. I believe any man convicted of a sexual or violent offence should be deported to whatever country deemed mostly likely to be their original home.

Look certain groups commit crimes at different rates, as I have said previously, I am very suspicious when people try to deny this, it happened in the trans debate, until women produced the statistics indicating the truth.
I think both sides of this debate aren't being accurate.

foxie48

I’m very sorry to hear about your daughter. My daughter and her partner have also been the victims of serious violent crime ( their attackers were black, but that’s not the point here )
The point is, we’re all well aware that as a country we’re full of black & white scum violent criminals, but at least we know who they are. Do we need more?
Young men arriving in their 1000’s every month - no ID, no nothing. What’s their past? What do we know about them?
Nothing. And we put them up in hotels, let them wander around without knowing if they have a serious criminal history.
How is that right?
The problem with a lot of ( mostly left wing liberals) is they’re so pro asylum seeker they can’t see any harm in them. & even when they do commit serious crime they make excuses for them or bring out the ‘what abouts’ - every negative brushed under the carpet.

Iam64

Another thread where racism is denied, the govt blamed for ‘doing nothing’ and anger directed at asylum seekers in general.

Sad isn’t it!