The man formerly known as Prince can fall no further....

Iam64

Paedophiles within families, schools, sports can fly under the radar icanhandthemback. Epstein and Maxwell made no attempt to hide. The Florida investigation and conviction was initiated by Epstein’s neighbours in Florida. They shared concerned about the numbers of yiung adolescent girls visiting the property throughout the day.
It’s all recorded in a documentary Filthy Rich, the author James Patterson was involved in getting police involved and in the documentary.

As I think I have already said. Epstein and Maxwell have been found guilty so those are proven facts in a court of law. I just hope Maxwell remains in prison.

Oops, sorry about the b****y. It was an error.

I don't think the Americans can try Andrew for his financial dealings. It is 'just' his involvement with Epstein that is under US jurisdiction, AFAIK.

If he names names, then I think they will have to be called to account, or there would be no point in Andrew giving evidence.

I doubt AMW will respond by agreeing to go to America, or be interviewed on line. Having said that, he was arrogant enough to believe the Emily Maitlis interview went well for him.

icanhandthemback, the point is that people spending a lot of time with Epstein and Maxwell would be aware of their proclivities.

Iam64, define "a lot of time". Lots of the people he seem to have called 'friends', by virtue of the long distance between him and where he lived, can't have spent a lot of time with him so maybe they wouldn't have been aware of his proclivities. My point is that we don't know how deep within his despicable proclivities various people were.

It’s all vile, a phone in this morning, ‘what if he is suicidal’? answer from Jeremy Vine, ‘he’s not that intelligent’

Anniebach

It’s all vile, a phone in this morning, ‘what if he is suicidal’? answer from Jeremy Vine, ‘he’s not that intelligent’

In normal circumstances, I suspect that Andrew does not fit the profile for suicidal tendencies but the backlash from this has taken every thing he valued so I think, intelligent or not, everyone has a breaking point. We don't often agree about he RF, Anniebach, but I agree with you here.

Thank you i canhandthemback, I agree, not because he is part of the royal family, someone said to me about suicide “I don’t want to die but I don’t want to live”

Anniebach

It’s all vile, a phone in this morning, ‘what if he is suicidal’? answer from Jeremy Vine, ‘he’s not that intelligent’

What an utterly bizarre thing to say (Vine, that is)! Suicidal ideation can affect anyone at any time and really isn't a joking matter. I think what you said is often very true, Anniebach - not wanting to die, but not wanting to live either.

Anniebach

It’s all vile, a phone in this morning, ‘what if he is suicidal’? answer from Jeremy Vine, ‘he’s not that intelligent’

I quite agree Anniebach. Indeed on the contrary, I would say that AMW is in significant danger of mental health problems.

He is not a man with any inner resources. more intelligent people, and some less intelligent, will have private passions and hobbies, gardening or postage stamps (like George Vth), or archaeology (Queen Magarethe of Denmark), but AMW seems to have only golf and that is very much a sociable game, played with friends.

He seems to be very much a person who, despite being arrogant and entitled needs always to be in company, which is what made him so vulnerable to mixing with the Epsteins and dodgy people of this world, who knew exactly how to cultivate people like him and how to exploit them.

Life alone in Sandringham, with few local friends and no way of occupying himself could be very dangerous for his mental health.

It might have been wiser to provide him with a home where his ex-wife, Sarah Ferguson could also live.

icanhandthemback

Anniebach

It’s all vile, a phone in this morning, ‘what if he is suicidal’? answer from Jeremy Vine, ‘he’s not that intelligent’

In normal circumstances, I suspect that Andrew does not fit the profile for suicidal tendencies but the backlash from this has taken every thing he valued so I think, intelligent or not, everyone has a breaking point. We don't often agree about he RF, Anniebach, but I agree with you here.

Count me in with you too! Vine was disgraceful.

Perhaps Sarah doesn’t want that MOnica.

Why not calls for a public hanging , the press would be excited , and the many ‘sources close to’

Jaxjacky

Perhaps Sarah doesn’t want that MOnica.

She is and always has been a freeloader and her erratic and excessive spending means she has very little capital, despite having sold, at various times quite valuable properties.

Jaxjacky

Perhaps Sarah doesn’t want that MOnica.

I am sure I heard on the news this week that Sarah Fergusson has finally left AMW, and is distancing herself from him.

Vine’s sarcastic comment about suicide are unwarranted.

Anniebach

Why not calls for a public hanging , the press would be excited , and the many ‘sources close to’

Who has said that Andrew is suicidal? Or is that speculation and trial by media?

There is no doubt that VG was suicidal - unless there is a suggestion that she didn't take her own life?

A book how she suffered for years and lost all her self confidence- again

Any Radio 4 "Today" listeners will have heard a useful explanation of the legal position. I understood them to say that any interview ( regardless of the geography [UK by digital link or travel to USA] with the US Senate must take place under the aegis of a sworn oath by Andrew. Notwithstanding that Andrew would accordingly have the legal benefit of the 5th amendment, if he were to lie under oath and be proven to have done so that would be perjury.
Perjury would be a criminal offence and any criminal charge would open up the possibilities of extradition to the US and prosecution for a criminal offence in the US.
Any decent adviser would therefore advise Andrew not to touch the possibility of speaking to the Senate with a twenty foot disinfected bargepole.
The relevant Senate committee really don't expect him to take the bait.
After government functions resume in the US , a female democrat is to be sworn in (as Senator?) and she will enable the release of further Epstein documents that will let many more cats out of the bag.
That's presuming that the Epstein documents still exist in an examinable state. Someone got Epstein killed. Could they get to some documents ? Only sayin'.....

Who knows how Andrew feels?
Certainly if he’s aware of the pile on on social media, he might feel depressed.
You only have to read about people including VG feeling isolated, or feeling it’s all too much. When the suicide of a young man (ex-pupil) was announced in the press, his sister reported that he had said there was “no way out of this mess and nothing to live for”.
By some accounts, VG was terminally ill
"They’ve given me four days to live, transferring me to a specialist hospital in urology.”
Then she accused her husband of abuse.

These things don’t excuse Andrew if he’s guilty of what he stands accused, but his actions did not directly contribute to her death.

Did VG say she had been in a car accident and only had a few days to live ?

Mollygo

Who knows how Andrew feels?
Certainly if he’s aware of the pile on on social media, he might feel depressed.
You only have to read about people including VG feeling isolated, or feeling it’s all too much. When the suicide of a young man (ex-pupil) was announced in the press, his sister reported that he had said there was “no way out of this mess and nothing to live for”.
By some accounts, VG was terminally ill
"They’ve given me four days to live, transferring me to a specialist hospital in urology.”
Then she accused her husband of abuse.

These things don’t excuse Andrew if he’s guilty of what he stands accused, but his actions did not directly contribute to her death.

Several people have already pointed out that VG's suicide took place against a very broad background of a life , parts of which, at least were highly abusive. Initially allegedly there was sexual abuse during childhood by a family member or friend. Latterly and over the entire span of her marriage this abuse seems to have included domestic violence allegedly dished out by her husband from whom she was separated.
There were a lot of bad ingredients in the recipe. Andrew seems to have been one of them.

The fact remains, however, that VG did take her life, whatever the reason. What I am asking is whether the speculation about Andrew's mental health is based on a question asked by a caller phoning in to a TV chat show, or if there is any proof that he is suicidal.

Andrew’s mental health was not a question, someone spoke of ‘the press coverage and concern the press coverage could affect his mental health,

I mean the speculation on this thread about how he might be feeling as a result of the press coverage - I didn't hear the Jeremy Vine chat show. Whether it was a question (which couldn't be answered unless Andrew was on the panel) or a suggestion from a caller that the coverage 'might' impact on his MH isn't the point, really. It is speculation - no more or less than the discussion about why the King stripped him of his titles or what might still be to come out when the US government comes out of shutdown.

It's not unreasonable to speculate. We are all human beings, and it's what people do to make sense of the world, isn't it?