The man formerly known as Prince can fall no further....

He has his chance now to show his innocence.

My point is and always has been that so far, this is trial by media, and GN (and others.)

I so agree.
And Andrew Lownie, self-appointed expert, has a book to sell.

But isn't it the case that if not for 'trial by media' (AKA public opinion) there would have been no action taken?

Whatever happened between Andrew and VG happened years ago, and it is only since the photo was released and she accused him that it has been in the News, and it is only since her death and the leak of the emails that the palace has got involved. Absolutely nothing was done until then.

As has been said numerous times on this thread, physical proof is impossible to produce after all this time, and anything else is assumed to fly in the face of 'innocent until proven guilty', so is discounted. It is, arguably, only because the public has got this case in its sights that anything has been done. The chances of Andrew admitting any wrongdoing are slim to none - we saw that on the Newsnight interview.

Andrew Lownie is not a self appointed expert, he is a well respected biographer, who meticulously cites his sources. There are over 300 in this book.

Paedophiles within families, schools, sports can fly under the radar icanhandthemback. Epstein and Maxwell made no attempt to hide. The Florida investigation and conviction was initiated by Epstein’s neighbours in Florida. They shared concerned about the numbers of yiung adolescent girls visiting the property throughout the day.
It’s all recorded in a documentary Filthy Rich, the author James Patterson was involved in getting police involved and in the documentary.

And, on release, Epstein with Maxwell continued the pattern, VG being one of many.

I assume that if Windsor does attend the USA investigation, the Epstein files will be opened? But in any case, I am sure that women who associated with him in NY, Florida and the Caribbean will come forward.

Heck no he isn't going. There is no solicitor in the world who would advise him that is a good idea. Neither would the King I suppose. I would love for him to help take down the US side of this though.

I am encouraged that this topic doesn't seem to be falling away in news cycles. People are still looking into details as they come up, which keeps it fresh in the Monday of people. We need to keep the pressure up so that we know everyone who was involved and the can be held accountable through the courts.

iam64 astoundingly Epstein operated whilst he was in prison during his first stint in prison. He appeared to have the freedom to come and go during the day.

Minds, not Monday. Silly autocorrect.

Andrew Lownie is a respected biographer but he is now on tv giving interviews too often

If you want to read about Edward V111 or Louis Mountbatten, read the biographies by Frances Donaldson and Philip Zeigler, who were respected biographers.

And if there had not been this continuous trial by media, Epstein and Guiffre might not have committed suicide.

Crikey, the Biography police are out!

Quote Casdon Thu 06-Nov-25 19:35:29
Crikey, the Biography police are out!

You certainly started the biographer discussion

Some members of US congress are asking AMW to answer questions

The US Congress summons makes it clear that they believe that ‘the well documented accusations against you’ are credible enough to warrant him appearing before them to give evidence.

news.sky.com/story/andrew-mountbatten-windsor-summoned-to-us-to-explain-epstein-links-13464390

I don't think he is their end target though.

No, nor do I imaround, there are definitely bigger fish in the pond.

That’s what I keep saying. Windsor is needed to spill the beans.

But he won’t because he is also complicit

You know WW or it’s your opinion ?

Perhaps Congress should summon those who have been accused on their side of the Atlantic? Or is AW a handy scapegoat?
For what it's worth, I dislike the man intensely and think he's probably guilty. However by focusing only on him, they aren't addressing the bigger problem. Who else was involved?

Agree Grandmabatty they are dodging their side of the sea

I do not think these Democrats on this committee are dodging. They would give anything to have those files released. I do believe they are trying to use AMW as a stepping stone to get around the fact that those files may never be released. Any information they can glean from Andrew that could help determine if Trump is on the list would be a good thing for them.

It is all going to come out eventually. Someone somewhere knows everything and they will eventually talk about it. And once someone pulls that particular thread, it will unravel quickly.

The more information that comes out via reports and leaked emails, the closer we get to someone wanting/needing to save their own butts and wanting to talk to Congress about it.

Is Andrew going to be tried on bloodyall the stuff dragged up on here (including the people who don’t know him, but don’t like him? Or just on his involvement with Epstein?
Whatever?
The US needs to look at the beam in their own eye before they start inspecting the speck in A’s eye.

If they really want him to testify then they should call up their own shower first.

It doesn’t really matter about the UK. He’s already been judged and found guilty by the media as evidenced on here.
But once you move overseas, there must be more under scrutiny than just Andrew. It’s just easier for the US to chase one person, especially with the ardent support of the media over here.

Andrew gives a name, name denies ?