The BBC. Bias is one thing. Lies and manipulation of facts entirely different.

Sorry guv, we did it.
Then what?

It doesn’t matter about right wing/left wing, it’s about breaches in standards and widespread evidence of bias, transgender issues, DT speeches doctored and Gaza bias.
Where is Tim Davie? He needs to make a statement at the very least.

I thought it was his government that gave him the job and there were concerns that he was too right wing ( happy to be corrected on this)?

Boris Johnson has led calls for Tim Davie, the BBC director-general, to “explain or resign” over the bias scandal engulfing the broadcaster.

MPs said it was time for Mr Davie to “come out of hiding” after a week of disclosures by The Telegraph of one-sided reporting over Gaza, censorship of the trans debate and even doctoring of a speech by Donald Trump.

Mr Johnson, the former prime minister, said the BBC “has been caught red-handed in multiple acts of Left-wing bias” and Mr Davie must now come clean.

The Telegraph has published the full text of a leaked 8,000-word letter sent to members of the BBC board by Michael Prescott, a former standards adviser, who wrote of his “despair at inaction by the BBC executive” over widespread evidence of bias.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Should we have to pay for The Guardian to be allowed to read any other newspaper?
The whole concept of the licence fee is ludicrous.

It wasn't when it was introduced. It was a licence to use a device to receive TV programmes. As there was only the BBC at the time the licence fee did go towards funding it.

Before that there were wireless licences, licencing the wireless device. you could get lots of non BBC programmes on your radio, too.

There used to be a dog licence...

Lots of different ways for governments to increase revenue.

BBC output is good in many ways. It's just a shame that the news and current affairs programmes can be biased.

Is anyone complaining about the expose of the crime behind the mini marts? Is it accurate, is it biased? who knows...

are free

Paying the licence fee is worth it for me to have TV channels that a free from all the *%$£@?! advertisements.

Should we have to pay for The Guardian to be allowed to read any other newspaper?
The whole concept of the licence fee is ludicrous.

MaizieD

Rosie51

MaizieD

Rosie51

MaizieD

keepingquiet

I'm not getting this? Can someone tell me what it's about?

No idea...

Shall we leave them to it?

If you read the link I've given you can find out, but maybe you're just not interested?

There was no link given until after I posted and I've only just returned to this thread.

I realise that, but you showed zero interest in finding out. Shall we leave them to it? I posted a link after your post and suggested that if it interested you, you could read it. [shrugs]

I'm afraid that I thought it was just another manufactured indignation thread.

Wrong. My thread was highly topical.
Nothing manufactured about the outrage many are expressing on this topic.

MaizieD

So are we saying that the BBC (or the independent company which made the film) was lying when it implied, by splicing the speech, that Trump incited the violence on Capitol Hill?

Of course few would argue that Trump wasn't responsible for the violence, he was certainly working the crowd with his language. The point is there was no need to splice two sentences separated by 50 minutes to make the point and it is lying to present that as a sentence he said. Would you accept someone splicing two sentences from our PM to illustrate the point they were trying to make and presenting it as actually spoken by him? I wouldn't, so I shouldn't accept it just because I don't like the person, in this case Trump. It's the principle at stake, either you do honest accurate reporting or you accept deliberately deceptive editing no matter who or what are the subject.

You haven’t read all about this matter as yet MaizieD there is more than the deception of Trump speeches.In that case two bits of speeches were spliced together giving entirely the wrong impression.
There is more bias and deception about the war in Gaza by the Arabic BBC arm.
It’s quite obvious that not all posters care about the BBC being truthful.

Rosie51

MaizieD

Rosie51

MaizieD

keepingquiet

I'm not getting this? Can someone tell me what it's about?

No idea...

Shall we leave them to it?

If you read the link I've given you can find out, but maybe you're just not interested?

There was no link given until after I posted and I've only just returned to this thread.

I realise that, but you showed zero interest in finding out. Shall we leave them to it? I posted a link after your post and suggested that if it interested you, you could read it. [shrugs]

I'm afraid that I thought it was just another manufactured indignation thread.

Oreo

At first I was amazed at reading some replies on here that just shrugged about the deception and bias shown by the BBC as I thought everyone would be shocked.Then the penny dropped.
The subject of deception and bias were Trump and Israel, therefore it doesn’t matter to those who strongly dislike them.
Are we only to care about the BBC being fair, truthful and impartial where the subject matters to us but not at all otherwise? Is this what we have come to?

More or less, yes.
You wouldn’t want them on a jury if you were on trail, would you?

At first I was amazed at reading some replies on here that just shrugged about the deception and bias shown by the BBC

Sorry? What bias was shown by the BBC?

Did Trump not incite the violence?

Sorry, other have pointed this out, too.

Ladyleftfieldlover

You are not compelled to pay the licence fee if you don’t watch or listen to the BBC.

The licence fee is a licence for receiving live transmission of programmes on a device. It isn't specific to BBC programmes.

I understand that isn't isn't required for watching catch up programmes.

You need a TV Licence to watch or record programmes on a TV, computer or other device as they're broadcast, and to watch on-demand BBC programmes on iPlayer

You need a TV Licence if you:

watch or record live TV on any channel or service
use BBC iPlayer

www.gov.uk/find-licences/tv-licence

Oops I hadn't refreshed and OldFrill had already answered.

Ladyleftfieldlover

You are not compelled to pay the licence fee if you don’t watch or listen to the BBC.

If you watch, record or stream any live TV broadcast or access iPlayer you are compelled to pay the licence fee. I do hope you have a licence even if you don't watch or listen to BBC output, but watch other channels.

No that's not true, I would have stopped paying the license fee ages ago if that was the case, it is live tv as someone said.

Ladyleftfieldlover

You are not compelled to pay the licence fee if you don’t watch or listen to the BBC.

It's not just the BBC it's if you watch or record programmes on a TV, computer or other device as they're broadcast, and to watch on-demand BBC programmes on iPlayer.

At first I was amazed at reading some replies on here that just shrugged about the deception and bias shown by the BBC as I thought everyone would be shocked.Then the penny dropped.
The subject of deception and bias were Trump and Israel, therefore it doesn’t matter to those who strongly dislike them.
Are we only to care about the BBC being fair, truthful and impartial where the subject matters to us but not at all otherwise? Is this what we have come to?

So are we saying that the BBC (or the independent company which made the film) was lying when it implied, by splicing the speech, that Trump incited the violence on Capitol Hill?

You are not compelled to pay the licence fee if you don’t watch or listen to the BBC.

MaizieD

Rosie51

MaizieD

keepingquiet

I'm not getting this? Can someone tell me what it's about?

No idea...

Shall we leave them to it?

If you read the link I've given you can find out, but maybe you're just not interested?

There was no link given until after I posted and I've only just returned to this thread.

I realise that, but you showed zero interest in finding out. Shall we leave them to it? I posted a link after your post and suggested that if it interested you, you could read it. [shrugs]

Maremia

Well then, if that's the criteria, falsifying the news, then Trump is more tarnished than the BBC
Or does it depend on who is doing the lying?
If you condemn the BBC, for fake news, then logically, you must also condemn Trump, bigly.

Maremia Perhaps you can point out where I've ever been less than disgusted and appalled by Trump? It would appear you do base your opinion on who is doing the lying. You really should try to refrain from using Trump's made up silly words, you don't want to be under his influence surely?

Babs03 your distaste of lies depends on where your bias is? I don't like liars whether they be repugnant oafs like Trump or so-called beacons of propriety like the BBC.

If the bar you set is whether you lie less than Trump then I guess most people and organisations will come out virtuous.
And as pointed out by FGT I am compelled by law to pay money to the BBC, whether I use their service or not.