Pro Palestinian crowds shrieking and yelling at the Aston Villa Park Stadium

Tim Gutmann spreading lies about a Jew cage. As bmacca told us there was no cage. Protesters were separated by the police for everyone's safety.
He was being provocative and causing more trouble. Certainly not spreading love and an end to hatred. He was fuelling it.

Unbelievable! No actually, it isn't.

I see that Hayley Ace's husband, Tim Gutmann, is the main source of the Telegraph article which was the catalyst for this thread.

Allira

Oreo

It wasn’t maccabi supporters.
It was paid for and arranged by Christian Action Against Antisemitism and the crowd was a mixture of Christians and Jews.
The messages were about love not hate.

Yes, not all the people protesting are spouting hatred.

Some want love and peace and an end to violence and hatred.

Funnily enough, that bunch aren't averse to spouting hatred against Muslims.

Oreo

It wasn’t maccabi supporters.
It was paid for and arranged by Christian Action Against Antisemitism and the crowd was a mixture of Christians and Jews.
The messages were about love not hate.

I assume you know that Christians Against Antisemitism was founded by Rev Hayley Ace, who is a fan of Tommy Robinson and has organised at least one demo in London against Palestine supporters. She is on record as having made a number of Islamophobic claims, which turned out to be false. When challenged, she said she was "going trough the menopause".

Oreo

It wasn’t maccabi supporters.
It was paid for and arranged by Christian Action Against Antisemitism and the crowd was a mixture of Christians and Jews.
The messages were about love not hate.

Yes, not all the people protesting are spouting hatred.

Some want love and peace and an end to violence and hatred.

It wasn’t maccabi supporters.
It was paid for and arranged by Christian Action Against Antisemitism and the crowd was a mixture of Christians and Jews.
The messages were about love not hate.

Allira

AGAA4

Maremia

Who were the ones who hired lorries for some sort of display? Were they not supporters?

I think they were Maccabi supporters.

They carried messages wanting politics kept out of football, "Ban hatred not fans", with quotes from such as Thierry Henri football is not about goals but bringing people together.

Indeed! Maybe the Maccabi fans took note for nest time. Chanting vile racist stuff, which they do, is hatred and the reason they were banned.

But banning the fans was actually about banning a bunch of proven aggressive thugs, and was advised by foreign police who had experienced their behaviour.
Conflation slips in everywhere.

The lorries carried a message against anti-semitism. Unfortunately conflating the two issues in people’s minds.

Banning violence is not political it is banning violence. Again conflating two issues.

AGAA4

Maremia

Who were the ones who hired lorries for some sort of display? Were they not supporters?

I think they were Maccabi supporters.

They carried messages wanting politics kept out of football, "Ban hatred not fans", with quotes from such as Thierry Henri football is not about goals but bringing people together.

Maremia

Who were the ones who hired lorries for some sort of display? Were they not supporters?

I think they were Maccabi supporters.

Who were the ones who hired lorries for some sort of display? Were they not supporters?

No, it wasn't the supporters, as I understand it.

Other groups. Nothing to do with football.

I've spoken to my nephews who were there. They had no problems at all. They said it was 'a bit of a storm in a teacup really'.

Yes, and that was brave

AGAA4

Reasons for arrests at Aston Villa.

Shouting abuse at pro Israel supporters.
Shouting abuse at pro Palestine supporters.
There were some other reasons such as not removing a face covering.

One Aston Villa fan wore a half and half scarf - Aston Villa + Maccabi team colours.

You have to admire him!

Reasons for arrests at Aston Villa.

Shouting abuse at pro Israel supporters.
Shouting abuse at pro Palestine supporters.
There were some other reasons such as not removing a face covering.

Certainly politicians like Jenrick don’t help matters by making racist remarks about Birmingham. Unfortunately politicians are not giving the people of this country a good example.

Homestead62

As soon as the marches and the flag waving started from the very beginning, of course there was going to be trouble. It should never have been allowed to get to the ridiculous stage it did. I really would not like to be a member of the Jewish faith right now, they must feel very vulnerable. Personally, I'd ban flags apart from on top of official buildings, they cause nothing but grief.

And it isn’t just people of the Jewish faith but Muslims when the likes of Yaxley Lennon descended with others flying their flags and listening to Musk talk about fighting against Islam. Just as antisemitic attacks have risen with the latest tragedy in the Manchester synagogue showing us how this can translate into violence, attacks on Muslim communities and Mosques have risen similarly.
There are many communities living in fear in the UK today and we, as a society, need to attempt to dial down the hateful rhetoric.

Wrong thread?

Just had another quick flipover to Chat GPT and asked about the religious question and it said all the steps involved - and basically it said that it boils down to a course of study in effect and, for men, getting circumcised too. It said nothing about what family one is born into either way....cue definitely "Puzzled 'r us".

Sometimes it's best to look for the facts rather than approach such sensitive issues with pre-conceived ideas and prejudices.

There were 11 arrests at the demonstrations.
Maccabi fans were banned so who were the people arrested?

www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/13465530/aston-villa-vs-maccabi-tel-aviv-west-midlands-police-make-11-arrests-at-europa-league-fixture-at-villa-park

bmacca

There has been several fireworks throwing incidents in Birmingham, mainly by young teenagers, and mainly taking place in the city centre. They are not good and quite rightly the police managed to arrest quite a few of those involved. I understand there have been similar incidents in other cities.

These fireworks incidents had nothing to do with the football game at Villa Park on Thursday. The pro Palestine protest was peaceful, albeit things were shouted by them and also by the pro Israel group that the other side objected to. The comment about Muslim extremists is out of order.

Thanks.
Good to get first hand info. Not that it will probably stop others sticking to their own narrative, sadly.