Palestine for the Palestinian peoples, Israel for the Israeli peoples

It wasn’t only the British that thought setting up Israel was a good thing for Jews to have their own homeland after the holocaust.
It’s provided a safe haven there for so many.It was done for the very best of reasons.

The British allowed a huge influx of Jews into Palestine so it could be said that the problem was already there before Israel was created.
There was never going to be peace for long between Jews and Arabs and fighting broke out from the start.

If the Americans thought it was such a great idea - then the question does arise why they didn't tell them to come to America instead - where it would appear as if there is plenty of "empty" land (though we all know what the start-out of America was - especially if it was our land before they all started heading over in the 17th century).

They could have picked a relatively empty section of America - but instead they chose someone else's land.

Now that should be a bit of interesting reading to see why the Americans put their oar in/but didn't help out basically - someone somewhere probably wrote a book about why they thought it was okay to give away the Palestinians land like that....and I'd be interested if there are any details anywhere as to why that happened....

Do you really think it's a safe haven Oreo? They are surrounded by hostile countries and there are frequent problems with surrounding countries.

Yes Oreo, I agree with 'getting it right'.
This has to be the time for a re-set, one that suits the myriad citizens of the area.

Yes, AGAA4 possibly not the best choice. Probably very little 'consultation'.
But here we are. And there they are.

Must say it would be very far from my idea of a safe haven either = safe? trying to live on someone else's land and on the lookout in case that someone else fights back at you for what you did?!!!! Knowing that most of the world can now see you as a pariah state. Can't say I'd want to have to explain to everyone I met why I landed up living there and explain to others that I personally didn't go along with everything, had refused to be hauled into the IDF, and what I was doing to help the Palestinians and putting myself at risk in the process.

Add with the begging bowl constantly held out in the direction of America to help you fund it all. No wonder they want Gaza too - hasnt it got a load of oil off the coast there? or is my memory wrong on that one...

Not my definition for sure of a safe haven - I'd rather go and live on an American desert area personally - far safer.

trying to live on someone else's land

That is your opinion.

Misery being heaped on misery as the rain floods the tatty little tents and children have inadequate clothing for the winter weather.

Oh dear. Life must be sheer misery. 😥

We think of that area as warm but the winters can be cold, wet and miserable.

I thought that the peace plan was going to s…t miracles. What has happened?

Winters in that neck of the woods can be blustery, wet, and cold, flimsy tents will not withstand the worst of it and those trying to shelter probs don’t have adequate clothing due to leaving most of their possessions behind. Babies, the sick, and the elderly will not fare well 😢

We should also consider that most of these poor people are also weak and malnourished. Before long flu and pneumonia will take a hold and the death rates will rise yet again

Btw the death rate now stands at 69,000

Children are dying from hypothermia. Due to dirty water jaundice, respiratory diseases, diarrhea and flu are spreading.

Some of the tents have been flooded as they are made of flimsy materials.
People are burning cardboard and plastic for a little warmth but can give off toxic fumes.
How can people be treated like this? The situation is desperate.

AGAA4

Do you really think it's a safe haven Oreo? They are surrounded by hostile countries and there are frequent problems with surrounding countries.

Yes, Jews do consider Israel as a safe haven as the vast majority who live there are Jewish and most importantly the government of their country are Jewish.The safety that it accords them are worth the missiles coming from surrounding countries.

Oreo

AGAA4

Do you really think it's a safe haven Oreo? They are surrounded by hostile countries and there are frequent problems with surrounding countries.

Yes, Jews do consider Israel as a safe haven as the vast majority who live there are Jewish and most importantly the government of their country are Jewish.The safety that it accords them are worth the missiles coming from surrounding countries.

It should be.

If only all around that region could live in peace.

I still feel peeved that my much looked forward to trip to Israel was cancelled as they were at war with the Lebanon.1982.
As you can tell I don't hold on to disappointments 🙁

Some people here will understand me laughing at hopes expressed that that region could live in peace. Or a safe haven if you don't mind the missiles. Wowzers!

By the time I "pop my clogs" in years to come I will be enormously surprised if the conflict isn't still going on. Brings a whole new take on things and I'll be off to google the "100 years war" in a minute to see how that conflict lasted so long a few centuries back/why it started/etc - as this conflict in the region has been going on since before I turned up on the scene as a pregnancy and I would definitely (unfortunately) lay odds on it still in full swing come 2035 (my expected lifespan end).

I reckon that - even after that - I'll still be doing the "welcoming committee" voluntary work I have in mind for some years after my lifespan is over here. I couldnt hazard a guess just how long I think this conflict is going to go on for - with variations in target country/countries I'd hazard a guess it will be going on for at least another 20 years and I think it will outlast the 100 years war I'm afraid.

Sadly I agree CariadAgain, there is far too much bloodshed, hatred, and anger, and even once Hamas are history, another group of Palestinians will rise from the ashes of Gaza. Netanyahu isn’t going make Israel safer but far more unsafe and what’s more a pariah state on the international stage. Perhaps that won’t bother them whilst the US keeps finding their army and defences. But what if the US withdraws such largesse because of dire domestic issues??
Times change.
Certainly this war has not ensured that this region is a safe haven for anyone.

Yep...I reckon you've summed it up in one Babs as to how things are likely to go.

Meanwhile - I've had my mini little history lesson for the day - this time involving my own race - ie the English. The 100 years war was the fault of the English - we were trying to grab/hold onto French land. According to Chat GPT we got beaten in the end because of French consolidation, our internal problems (eg Wars of the Roses) distracting from us continuing to fight that unjust war and military trends favouring France. Well there was the correct winner to that conflict - and it wasn't us. We were in the wrong there. Not that that taught us any lessons much - given how things went in subsequent centuries.

My best guesstimate of the next few decades - I think there might possibly be justice for the Palestinians eventually/they might just be able to rebuild their country....but I'm afraid I don't see it happening for some years and I think it will be the Palestine diaspora returning to their country and taking it back and that will happen after my time I reckon. A lot of their "brightest and best" have had to make lives for themselves in other countries during all of this....so it will be more of a "return" by them that will bring the country back and I think America has to lose a lot of its "position in the world" and stop trying to run/ruin other peoples countries before it will be possible and I don't see America growing up any time soon I'm afraid and not a hope in heck under Trump (with that son-in-law of his hoping for Gaza and him threatening to destroy our BBC for a start-off - which he will certainly manage if he gets that £5 billion out of them that he's posturing for). He just wants to "bluff and bluster" towards whatever he wants and "Will we please turn a blind eye to his personal life?"

Israel has been at war with most of the regions in the middle east since 1948. I don't think this will change as they have many enemies now.
Certainly not a safe haven and the US may not always have their backs.

It really depends how alliances shift. Right now Iran is opposing the US but was it biggest ally prior to the revolution. And I can see a counter revolution happening there before Israel gets its house in order. And this may well mean that Iran once more becomes an ally of the US and subsequently other western governments. For despite what is said about Iran its people remain the most pro west in the region. If this happens the US could devise to throw its lot in with Iran again meaning Israel isn’t their poster girl anymore.
May sound impossible and probs won’t happen in my lifetime, but stranger things can happen, so Israel would be wise to stop rattling cages and start mending bridges.

*decide to throw its lot in…

Has it ever occurred to anyone how terrifying it was to the very many Jews in Germany in the 1930’s and 40’s that the country they were born in now was at war with them? That their own government was taking their houses and possessions and sending them to the death camps and the gas chambers.
Now they have their own country where their government and people will never turn on them.So yes, incoming missiles from terror groups are worth it.Outsiders they can deal with.It was the enemy within that they feared before that in Europe.