Palestine for the Palestinian peoples, Israel for the Israeli peoples

Strange what some people find funny. Speaks volumes.

I just don’t think that 69,000 deaths is something to inspire anyone to ‘have fun’.
Obviously my funny bone doesn’t work too well when genocide is being committed.
And am not cross.
Enjoy your day at sea.

No you’re right.

It was that post about DNA.

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Not so sure about that Oreo. Recent surveys in the States have shown diminished interest in Israel, among younger voters.
Sorry, no references, but if interested, you could locate the data yourself.

Lathyrus3

Why do people keep saying 2000 years ago?

I don’t get that either.

I didn't say 2,000 years ago.

But saying that Jewish people should have been given part of the USA as a homeland after the horrors of WW2 is what I would call silly, indeed irritating, especially as Jerusalem is the spiritual and indeed historical centre of Judaism, from where Jewish people have been expelled more than once over a time period of far more than 2,000 years.

If it is irritating, perhaps that is the is a grain of truth which is annoying some.

That does not mean that I in any way agree with what Netanyahu and his Government are doing and no right-minded person would, before anyone accuses me of being a supporter.

Babs03

I just don’t think that 69,000 deaths is something to inspire anyone to ‘have fun’.
Obviously my funny bone doesn’t work too well when genocide is being committed.
And am not cross.
Enjoy your day at sea.

Mine neither, whether 69,000 or 6 million.

All are horrendous.

Oreo

Lathyrus3

Honestly though I really don’t get the whole DNA thing.

What is Cariadagain saying if it’s not about genetic selection?

It’s anyone’s guess 🤷🏼‍♀️

What is Cariadagain saying if it’s not about genetic selection? aka eugenics.
And we saw the results of that in WW2.
Other countries have tried it since.

There has been a winter storm in Gaza. Many families are living in inadequate tents made up from sheets and blankets which are now soaked through. Also there flour and other food is soaked too.

The Norwegian refugee council is asking Israel to supply more tents but beaurocracy is delaying all aid.

They say that so many will perish over this winter that all the promises of new buildings will mean nothing to people who won't be around soon.

Allira

Lathyrus3

Why do people keep saying 2000 years ago?

I don’t get that either.

I didn't say 2,000 years ago.

But saying that Jewish people should have been given part of the USA as a homeland after the horrors of WW2 is what I would call silly, indeed irritating, especially as Jerusalem is the spiritual and indeed historical centre of Judaism, from where Jewish people have been expelled more than once over a time period of far more than 2,000 years.

If it is irritating, perhaps that is the is a grain of truth which is annoying some.

That does not mean that I in any way agree with what Netanyahu and his Government are doing and no right-minded person would, before anyone accuses me of being a supporter.

What I meant was that Israel and then Judah were around about about 1000 years before that.

Then the land was invaded by Persians, Assyrians, Greeks, Romans, Turks and about 150 years ago Arabs.

So I asked which DNA would be valid. Not that anyone’s answered.

Yes, have a bit of America is equally silly. These rather wild statements do nothing to promote a resolution.

And of course supplies for the civilian population should be distributed.

Movement? UN Security Council votes to endorse Trump's Gaza plan.
Lots of detail for you to peruse in online newspapers.

Wonder how well Trump will be able to focus on this 'project' just now, with all that's going on in the States at the moment?

Not sure how this will work out. The USA has agreed to sell Saudi Arabia those special fighter planes, that used to be kept exclusively for Israel.

One almost thinks "Now what is America up to?" about that - ie selling the Saudis fighter planes - though it could boil down to the armaments manufacturers want to earn still more money.

The last couple of years have been a revelation for sure. I knew the general gist of what is happening/has long been happening in Palestine and I long ago read a book on just how many wars America is responsible for (a lot!) and some of what the CIA are doing. Now we're watching them telling Ukraine "Stop fighting your war with Russia" - on top of them wanting Gaza redeveloped to suit the West.

One almost wonders whether starting wars is there in their national psyche - although going in and chucking the natives off their own land in America seems to have been a lot of how things were at the start (ie the whole idea of "We'll take someone else's land for ourselves"). Personal traits can go down the centuries and turn up in people in the present day - and I know that fact personally - and hence wonder why everything is to many there a "new frontier to be conquered - and it's deemed okay to play around with other peoples countries and use them for one's own purposes".

BTW - a new aid convoy has started out across the oceans to Palestine and it's hoped it will be "biggest and best yet" I gather. Whew - they're brave - knowing what happened to the previous ones. I admit I'd be too scared to take part in something like that personally - even though it's mega-clear to spot from quite a distance that I'm obviously British (ie yep....that does mean that little thing there in my mind of "Just open my mouth and start talking in English to prove it - and surely I wouldnt be hurt because of that obvious fact and have in the past instantly got better treatment abroad the second I opened my mouth and spoke in English"). Errr yep.....obviously English stops police in Sicily in their tracks when they've been wondering if you and your Italian friend are Mafia and all you have to do is open your mouth and say to the police "What's going on?" and they drive off on the spot and stop the hassle and I've never seen police move so fast.

But - yep.....realistically I don't know how much/if any protection one gets these days from being obviously British or some other European/Scandinavian nationality (cue for I watch obviously British people on YouTube - including women - going exploring in countries like Afghanistan and I can see they've got a "I'm obviously going to be safe personally" mindset assumption and I think "I don't think we can think like that any more - we might get attacked as fast as anyone else these days").

So I'll be interested to see how many people and what nationalities the latest aid convoy will include - but there seems to be no "protection" from being obviously from Britain or Europe or Scandinavia (ie what I might call the "We know our rights" nationalities) and the chance seems pretty equal of being caught and treated badly. We know of a certainty that international wars are okay for us to sail in - but no-one's told the IDF that....

Maremia

Not sure how this will work out. The USA has agreed to sell Saudi Arabia those special fighter planes, that used to be kept exclusively for Israel.

The US keeps control if the F35 fighters in a global “pool”
They cannot fly without a lot of technical backup, so the US calls the shots on deployment. Israel has plenty of F16s to use in the kind of fighting they do which don’t need as much maintenence.

As we have seen the US can be called on to carry out any raids outside Israel’s own capability.

Reckon the US is probably getting into "bite off more than they can chew" territory with how many wars they are behind or at least playing a leading role in. Guess that's why they are pushing to end the Ukraine war (who knew they were calling the shots?) - in order not to have that one still going on whilst they're now trying to start one off in Venezuela (America's usual reason - so they can grab for the oil).

That's given me another question I'm about to dive off and try and find the answer to - ie "How many wars is America currently involved in and how did they start them? What is their excuse for them all?"

CariadAgain

Reckon the US is probably getting into "bite off more than they can chew" territory with how many wars they are behind or at least playing a leading role in. Guess that's why they are pushing to end the Ukraine war (who knew they were calling the shots?) - in order not to have that one still going on whilst they're now trying to start one off in Venezuela (America's usual reason - so they can grab for the oil).

That's given me another question I'm about to dive off and try and find the answer to - ie "How many wars is America currently involved in and how did they start them? What is their excuse for them all?"

That is very true, Trump is desperate to get Ukraine and Gaza sorted out because the reserve of weapons in the arsenals have become depleted. While they were using outdated Cold War munitions it wasn’t a problem but now it’s hurting.

It’s interesting you say the US caused the war in Ukraine, that began in Bidens presidency, if anyone in the west is to blame it’s the EU and NATO encouraging Ukraine to join. The US doesn’t really care who rules Ukraine, it’s a non issue to them, it matters most to Europe but we dont have the capability to solve the war.

...and yet it's America that's telling Ukraine to stop the war.

All very odd.

Am pretty fed-up to say the least to have two countries - well one of them is a country by anyone's definition - busily trying their best to start wars/keep wars going - generally have the world as they want. The more I find out about what's going on in the world = the more gobsmacked I get by it all.

Labour are trying to please their back benchers, their core voters and members along with the tactical voters who lent them their vote to keep Conservatives out.

They also need to placate the stock markets and the IMF

My guess is they will fail on all fronts.

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