Was the Britain we have today worth all the sacrifices made in WW2?

Teazel2

StoneofDestiny

They will obviously be more white as more of the population is white!

And the overwhelming majority of Muslims do not stab people in the neck! Seriously - get a grip of your undisguised racism

Do you think I dont know that the majority of Muslims dont stab people in the neck!

Your ‘undisguised racism’ comment is hilarious. Its a lazy accusation against those of us genuinely concerned about our country.

The name of the man charged for the stabbing in Birmingham is Djeison Rafael. That is not a Muslim name.

He is a British national – a second generation British. He is one of yours actually.

StoneofDestiny

*this country is no longer safe for women and children*

Ridiculous comment. You are more likely to be attacked if you are male. The area and the environment are big factors as in ANY country but to conclude the whole country is not safe is just absurd

I agree with you that it's a ridiculous comment. There are parts of some areas which have never been safe for women and children (or anybody). Claiming the whole country is unsafe is like Henny Penny screeching about the sky falling in.

Good link there Growstuff, with the nonsense statement that women and children aren’t safe in this country and Henny Penny
So much exaggeration and misstatements here., it’s as though The Donald has been influencing

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Well thank heaven somebody is on the moral high ground -!the alternative is being in the immoral swamp!

What I really take issue with is liberal lefties taking the high moral ground until it comes to themselves. Its do as I say, not as I do.

Time to calm down, all these accusations of racism are ridiculous.

Oreo

Time to calm down, all these accusations of racism are ridiculous.

I quite agree.

Teazel2

What I really take issue with is liberal lefties taking the high moral ground until it comes to themselves. Its do as I say, not as I do.

As someone I expect you’d dismiss as a liberal leftie, I’m fed up with comments like this. Based on what evidence ?
I don’t seek the moral high ground, I’m an ordinary mortal, struggling with the ethical dilemmas we all face right now. I don’t take a linear view, I see other views as welcome and a means of debating issues most of us find challenging

Plus there really is no need to be quite so rude eg yiur response to growstuff earlier,

Iam64

Teazel2

What I really take issue with is liberal lefties taking the high moral ground until it comes to themselves. Its do as I say, not as I do.

As someone I expect you’d dismiss as a liberal leftie, I’m fed up with comments like this. Based on what evidence ?
I don’t seek the moral high ground, I’m an ordinary mortal, struggling with the ethical dilemmas we all face right now. I don’t take a linear view, I see other views as welcome and a means of debating issues most of us find challenging

Plus there really is no need to be quite so rude eg yiur response to growstuff earlier,

I think you will find the rudeness was all on the part of Growstuff!

It is not up to you to make moral judgements on another poster whose views are different to yours.

We will see how people think when they vote again. Opinions vary according to the area in which you live, how it affects you and your family. Until you change places with them you have no idea. . Also look at facts and statistics. I am privileged where I live but many more are not.

Allsorts

We will see how people think when they vote again. Opinions vary according to the area in which you live, how it affects you and your family. Until you change places with them you have no idea. . Also look at facts and statistics. I am privileged where I live but many more are not.

Yes that is true. The next election should be interesting.

Our country has gone down the pan. Crime - stabbings, shoplifting. Moral compass broken. The old soldier has a point. Its going to take a lot to turn it all round, Don't hold your breath.

I think things will get better, as they always have but not with the current cabinet and PM. They seem particularly clueless. When we left in the 1970s things were absolutely dire (Ted Heath etc) but things did improve later and I think they will again. Sprit of Dunkirk and all that! I have faith that someone with a bit of commonsense and leadership skills will appear - which party, who knows ?

'That’s a comment worthy of Farage and Yaxley Lennon!'

I'm tired of seeing this comment used over and over again. It's insulting and a way of shutting people up.

I'm tired of seeing this comment used over and over again. It's insulting and a way of shutting people up

Not at all - it is simply pointing out what is true. Racial comments should and must be challenged. There are still enough of us not prepared to allow civilised society to deteriorate further by normalising racism.

Please take a look at the Danish model. They've cut illegal immigration by over 90%. They have drastically reduced benefits and incentives. Arrivals have to participate and contribute.

It's not racist to protect our borders or put our own citizens first. I will not be putting my heating on this winter. Am sure those staying in hotels will have it on 24 hours a day.

The oh so progressives will be the first to complain when housing, NHS, law & order and education finally collapse under the weight of benefits, benefits and more benefits go to the wrong people.

I would love to actually help Afgan women and children or those fleeing war in Sudan, but it has to be properly managed.

barmcake Sorry, you ruined your own argument with your second and third paragraphs.

StoneofDestiny

*I'm tired of seeing this comment used over and over again. It's insulting and a way of shutting people up*

Not at all - it is simply pointing out what is true. Racial comments should and must be challenged. There are still enough of us not prepared to allow civilised society to deteriorate further by normalising racism.

I'm with you StoneofDestiny. I'm not going to be bullied by people who "tired" of hearing comments they don't like.

CarS

Our country has gone down the pan. Crime - stabbings, shoplifting. Moral compass broken. The old soldier has a point. Its going to take a lot to turn it all round, Don't hold your breath.

I believe this is fear mongering. Maybe you should emigrate to Sudan, Syria or Venezuela, if you really want to experience a "broken country".

I dare say others won’t be bullied off the thread either, by being told to go and live in another country or false cries of racism.

Excellent post barmcake 👏🏻👏🏻

We have the NHS, which provides emergency care for all - private hospitals haven't got A&E departments, so even the richest will need the NHS if they are injured or fall ill suddenly. It has treated me without charge, even during the pandemic. I have free eye tests, a bus pass and a pension. My grandchildren attend state schools with good ratings. We have asylum seekers in our town but they have never caused problems. For that matter, the town has welcomed many people from overseas since the war, and I have seen medical staff of British Asian or of Caribbean origin. Our GP is Polish. I think this country has much to be proud of.

vintage1950

We have the NHS, which provides emergency care for all - private hospitals haven't got A&E departments, so even the richest will need the NHS if they are injured or fall ill suddenly. It has treated me without charge, even during the pandemic. I have free eye tests, a bus pass and a pension. My grandchildren attend state schools with good ratings. We have asylum seekers in our town but they have never caused problems. For that matter, the town has welcomed many people from overseas since the war, and I have seen medical staff of British Asian or of Caribbean origin. Our GP is Polish. I think this country has much to be proud of.

Well said vintage1950.

Sadly, the right wing trope currently is to run our country down and make it sound like an absolute hell hole (which, of course, it is not).

Yet, at the same time, they call themselves patriotic, claim our country’s flag as theirs and would see our country harmed.

Even on GN, we have a poster welcoming a possible £billion law suit on a national institution by Trump!

vintage1950

We have the NHS, which provides emergency care for all - private hospitals haven't got A&E departments, so even the richest will need the NHS if they are injured or fall ill suddenly. It has treated me without charge, even during the pandemic. I have free eye tests, a bus pass and a pension. My grandchildren attend state schools with good ratings. We have asylum seekers in our town but they have never caused problems. For that matter, the town has welcomed many people from overseas since the war, and I have seen medical staff of British Asian or of Caribbean origin. Our GP is Polish. I think this country has much to be proud of.

Spending on the NHS and other social services is part of the problem.

In 1950 NHS spending was 2% of GDP now it’s 8% of GDP but we are not paying enough into it. Other countries have various systems, in most the state pays around 50% of cost, the UK state pays 80% of healthcare cost.

I’m not arguing against the NHS, but we are a long way from funding it sustainably.