Trump - Epstein e-mails

foxie48 I wonder how many conspiracy theories are actually true?
Epstein was exactly the kind of man to cheat the system by committing suicide.I expect the guards didn’t give two hoots what Epstein did.Many prisoners on suicide watch manage to do it.As for a small portion of the tape being missing, is this something that’s been reliably verified? If so it will be the guards covering their backs.

I know there was a conspiracy theory that Fascists were plotting to take over the US government in the 1930s. That did turn out to be true. It was called Business Plot.

“I think, Oreo that Babs03 is referring to schoolgirls who were recruited by Maxwell in New York and Paris, and then abused by them both.”

Thanks Allira that is exactly what I meant. Was a documentary about this a few years ago. Am not sure of the geography of it, I think it happened in Florida too. Maxwell looked out for stragglers, girls who looked vulnerable for one reason or another.

vintage1950

Magenta8, yes I've heard that about Lord Redesdale. I think I read about it in his daughter's book Hons and Rebels.

I think it was bloodhounds and done on foot, not on horseback. I shall have to go back to the source

So out of everyone that on there they out Andrew and Trump. Wow just wow. Who told you the BBC?

Don't think thet watch the BBC much in tbe States. It's more Fox News and CNN.

Politico mentions that various names high up the European Commission and Russian government are also involved....

Rumours again, but an Israeli politician was mentioned.

My thoughts:-
1)The Republicans must win the Epstein files debate on the house floor. If they lose it is Trump's signature that will finally enable the files'release. If he refuses to sign , he looks like a guilty man with something to hide.
2)Re the various emails between Maxwell , Epstein and Andrew and Giuffres' comments they certainly prove thatsomeone is lying.
3)Re Giuffre not implicating Trump , if I can use a line from a popular t.v. show and apply it to a much more serious matter " it takes brains to know when to be afraid" and I imagine that Ms Giuffre had that kind of brains in abundance given the circles she moved in.
4)This is a bit " off the wall" but the bonkers QAnon fiction about Hilary Clinton /child abuse/ pizza parlour stuff is starting to look or sound like an "Alice through the Looking Glass "version of what looks like an actual child sex scandal among, primarily , Republicans?
5) If someone could get Epstein knocked off then they could easily get any crucial paperwork or filmed encounters "binned".
No evidence here . Just my views.

MaizieD

vintage1950

Magenta8, yes I've heard that about Lord Redesdale. I think I read about it in his daughter's book Hons and Rebels.

I think it was bloodhounds and done on foot, not on horseback. I shall have to go back to the source

Yes bloodhounds, also in The Pursuit of Love, where Fanny and Linda loved it.
Seems a bit of a stretch to have to go back to the 1920s though!

One thing that is often suggested is that Epstein was protected by fbi/cia because of the info he had on powerful people

So the US press have hounded Andrew into submission, and it is stale news, so now they are going after the next one.

Am I cynical to think that parties for influential men were supported by pretty girls commonly years ago? And that it was a role for someone to organise these. That despite her years, Victoria was a willing participant - she just did not have the experience to realise the effect on her mental health.

FranP

So the US press have hounded Andrew into submission, and it is stale news, so now they are going after the next one.

Am I cynical to think that parties for influential men were supported by pretty girls commonly years ago? And that it was a role for someone to organise these. That despite her years, Victoria was a willing participant - she just did not have the experience to realise the effect on her mental health.

What happened years ago was wrong too so not sure why we should consider it as an excuse. And this wasn’t just about pretty escorts paid to be at a party. Maxwell looked for vulnerable girls outside schools to groom for Epstein and his pals, taking away their passports so they couldn’t leave.
Have you actually read anything about this?

Have to add the passports of girls jetted to foreign locations were taken away.

Thanks Babs, I’m sadly often still shocked that women can express the kind of dated and ignorant views as those from Fran P

Iam64

Thanks Babs, I’m sadly often still shocked that women can express the kind of dated and ignorant views as those from Fran P

Me too.

Thanks, Babs03, for that clarification.

Casdon

The story is everywhere Whitewavemark2, here it is from ABC News.
abcnews.go.com/Politics/house-democrats-release-new-epstein-emails-referencing-trump/story?id=127435983
Now he has an excuse sue the whole world for defamation, not just the UK.

For 1 gazillion dollars!!!

Babs03

@Imaround good to hear from you. Here’s hoping 🙏🏾
As others have said keep us posted.

Yes Imaround, good to hear from you. Nice to have a community of good people.

Iam64

One thing that is often suggested is that Epstein was protected by fbi/cia because of the info he had on powerful people

For sure, Iam64 and that is why he filmed them.

BREAKING: BBC reveals details of ‘out of court settlement offer’ to Donald Trump.

IOMGran

BREAKING: BBC reveals details of ‘out of court settlement offer’ to Donald Trump.

😄👍🏽

Oh no, that's just been devalued! ☹

Here is our daily reminder that trafficked girls, especially underage trafficked girls, are not prostitutes. It doesn't matter what girls were doing in 1880s or the 1980s to serve men. Since that time, much of the world has finally accepted that this kind of behavior is no longer tolerated. Hopefully more bystanders get on board instead of making excuses for men taking advantage of vulnerable children for their own pleasure.

I am so glad to hear that this hunting children story was from an innocent thing.

One thing I have learned is that accusations are usually confessions with this group of people. If they are accusing, one should probably look deeper into their own behavior.

I am glad to know the hunting story has an innocent explanation. I certainly knew the current Royal family was not participating.

The emails are setting up timelines which was an unknown, at least to me. Sarah F is a good example of that. She told everyone she had ended the relationship with him, but emails proved otherwise. They are also putting lines to people that I was unaware of were involved.

I think this is the best we are going to get because I think Johnson will stop, or convince enough Republicans to vote against, the release.

I am watching the news today to see what else is released. There are so many of them. It is hard to keep up. I hope someone, somewhere is creating a database of dates, times and people.

It will be good to get at the truth at some point to stop all the wild, sometimes very wild, speculation.

imaround the fact that you say your sister believes the laughable and incredible fairytale of the Royal Family hunting down girls in the woods, and you being doubtful but not sure one way or the other tells me what a gulf there is between those in the US and us in Europe.😄