2 boat people Afghans jailed for raping 15 year old girl

Let's face it terribull we would be in constant trouble and probably more likely to be found nicking off to the local pub than doing homework.

No, it wasn't.

Deflection is a problem on many threads.

I could have reported your posts as a personal attack Allira but I don't report.
There has been a pile on as several posters are joining in. Bullying is cowardly.

Galaxy

I would just say that frequently I am bowled over by Terri bulls posts, due to their articulate nature, often they clarify my own feelings on a subject. So if I was marking homework she would be OK

Oh thanks Galaxy, you'd be my mate if we were in the same class, we'd probably be copying each other's homework anyway, and you could even remind me to paragraph when I've overlooked that. PLEASE DO! I don't want to be put in detention again.

petra

AGAA4

Allira neither Wyllow or I accused posters of being racist! You are using that slur to suit your own rhetoric.
Don't forget everyone is entitled to an opinion but it seems only some feel they are.
I've explained how I feel about rape on this thread so please stop the pile on. You have already given your opinion earlier
I don't need to see it again.

Just because you haven't written it loud and clear it’s certainly been inferred.

I could have reported AGAA4's post as an attack and trying to control what other posters might say.

But I won't. Perhaps it shows that AGAA4 has no valid counter-argument to offer which might have been more interesting.

AGAA4

Allira neither Wyllow or I accused posters of being racist! You are using that slur to suit your own rhetoric.
Don't forget everyone is entitled to an opinion but it seems only some feel they are.
I've explained how I feel about rape on this thread so please stop the pile on. You have already given your opinion earlier
I don't need to see it again.

Not on this thread, that is why it is not in italics - did you not understand that? But it is a constant on others which precludes sensible, rational discussion.

However, the words hate fest and bile were used.
That is unacceptable.

please stop the pile on. it requires more than one person to constitute a pile-on.

Differences of opinion are allowed without name-calling.

You have already given your opinion earlier
I don't need to see it again.
Ditto.

AGAA4

Allira neither Wyllow or I accused posters of being racist! You are using that slur to suit your own rhetoric.
Don't forget everyone is entitled to an opinion but it seems only some feel they are.
I've explained how I feel about rape on this thread so please stop the pile on. You have already given your opinion earlier
I don't need to see it again.

Just because you haven't written it loud and clear it’s certainly been inferred.

I would just say that frequently I am bowled over by Terri bulls posts, due to their articulate nature, often they clarify my own feelings on a subject. So if I was marking homework she would be OK

AGAA4

Allira neither Wyllow or I accused posters of being racist! You are using that slur to suit your own rhetoric.
Don't forget everyone is entitled to an opinion but it seems only some feel they are.
I've explained how I feel about rape on this thread so please stop the pile on. You have already given your opinion earlier
I don't need to see it again.

Skip by then!

I'm allowed to post
Within guidelines.

Witzend - you are not marking my homework .

I don't always bother with paragraphing when I'm in full flow, it breaks my momentum .

Paragraphing now just for you, since you've put such emphasis on the PLEASE hope this post is meeting with your requirements.

Most who have read my post have managed to follow what I've said just as it's been conveyed.

Thanks for the snarky pedantry though.

I really loved being pulled up not

Anything else I could improve on, commas, full stops, capital letters, semi colons. parenthesis, you might like to comment on.

Off to write a hundred times now I MUST PARAGRAPH.

Allira neither Wyllow or I accused posters of being racist! You are using that slur to suit your own rhetoric.
Don't forget everyone is entitled to an opinion but it seems only some feel they are.
I've explained how I feel about rape on this thread so please stop the pile on. You have already given your opinion earlier
I don't need to see it again.

TerriBull

I don't get the anger about the finger being pointed at foreign abusers, here courtesy of the tax payer, as opposed to a British sexual abusers and criminals. Of course such incidents cause the same horror. Their mugshots would be all over the media too and rightly so. Joseph McCann, remember him? someone let him out of prison early and then he went on a massive spree of kidnap and rape. It was all over the papers, just one horrific example. I've also read exposes of men who go abroad to have sex with children Gary Glitter being the most infamous and they deserve all the negative publicity about their disgusting crimes. The elephant in the room that is being ignored in instances such as this latest case, are the two young men are here seeking asylum, they want to stay in this country and yet they have committed a heinous crime. Of course we will always will have in our midst, sexual abusers,criminals, murderers who are British nationals, their DNA has nothing to do with it, they will come under the umbrella of "British" because that's their nationality, they would hold a British passport, so on and so forth. Only one of my grandparents is British through and through, many of us are a mixture of different races and ethnic groups, that's a massive side issue. Yes we have our people who behave badly both here and abroad, and they sometimes drag us down into the mire as how foreigners frame us as a nation. However, time and time again we have young men seeking asylum in this country who carry out criminal acts, surely the anger should be directed at them, firstly for what this poor child has suffered and then for abusing the laws of their host country and finally for besmirching their fellow Afghans (in this case) by their behaviour. I've mentioned this before, because I know the town well, Bournemouth has three asylum hotels, one right opposite a 6th form college and a disproportionate number of the men from those hotels are awaiting criminal trials. The latest case I read about, a woman dragged into woodland and raped by one of them on Bonfire night, she wasn't the first that suffered that fate since these hotels have been open another was raped in a public toilet. Not too far from me is a Sheraton hotel close to Gatwick housing asylum seekers. How many would such a hotel house I couldn't say, but two cases that have been in the news, both local and national, One Iraqi for stalking a young girl on to a train and then forcing himself on her asking for sex. Another grabbing women in intimate places. His defence when he went to court, he didn't know such behaviour wasn't socially acceptable here and he got a suspended sentence, the three women who were assaulted were gutted with the outcome. He didn't know grabbing a woman round the crotch area isn't acceptable, what lame load of spurious crap is that Should this not be reported, should those women just shrug it off and shut up about it, would you if it happened to your younger self, your daughter, your granddaughter ? There are cultural differences as to how "SOME" relate to women that is the problem, it's not to say all their fellow asylum seekers are going to behave in that way anymore than British football hooligans represent every football fan who goes abroad. Certain demographics are over represented in sexual assaults. I believe in Germany when they saw an upsurge in female assaults by asylum seekers they sought to educate the young man coming there in how they should behave towards girls and women and to know in no uncertain terms that to carry out a sexual assault will automatically forfeit the right to stay here. Perhaps that approach should be adopted. I sincerely hope when these two young men, one looked positively baby faced, are deported without further ado of umpteen appeals when they come out of prison. In the meantime spare a thought for the young 15 year old who has developed extreme anxiety, rather than the two young men who just used her for their own gratification.

Paragraphs, PLEASE!

AGAA4

Nobody excuses rape by anybody but rape happens regularly to young girls often in their own homes. Rape often goes unreported.
This thread is another 'hate' fest this time on immigrants.

These people should not be allowed into our country in the first place if they can't come here by legal means,,,and have documentation, but to be allowed in and then treat our people
like trash, is unforgivable. This is not a hate thread, it's anger at what's being allowed to hapen to our country.

Wyllow3

AGAA4

Nobody excuses rape by anybody but rape happens regularly to young girls often in their own homes. Rape often goes unreported.
This thread is another 'hate' fest this time on immigrants.

Absolutely, this from the start seemed to me clearly to be the intention of this thread.

Accusing posters of being racist, holding a hate fest and posting bile is trying to use deflection to shut down discussion of very real problems which are concerning a lot of the public.

GrannyGravy13

Sago I just heard that on the BBC radio news, a 28 year old Afghan national has been charged with raping two 14 year old girls.

It is just endless…

yes and the rate that they're coming to this country every week is frightening.

Kandinsky
I've never seen anyone sticking up for them & making excuses for them

Not on Gransnet and not in "real life"

TerriBull

I don't get the anger about the finger being pointed at foreign abusers, here courtesy of the tax payer, as opposed to a British sexual abusers and criminals. Of course such incidents cause the same horror. Their mugshots would be all over the media too and rightly so. Joseph McCann, remember him? someone let him out of prison early and then he went on a massive spree of kidnap and rape. It was all over the papers, just one horrific example. I've also read exposes of men who go abroad to have sex with children Gary Glitter being the most infamous and they deserve all the negative publicity about their disgusting crimes. The elephant in the room that is being ignored in instances such as this latest case, are the two young men are here seeking asylum, they want to stay in this country and yet they have committed a heinous crime. Of course we will always will have in our midst, sexual abusers,criminals, murderers who are British nationals, their DNA has nothing to do with it, they will come under the umbrella of "British" because that's their nationality, they would hold a British passport, so on and so forth. Only one of my grandparents is British through and through, many of us are a mixture of different races and ethnic groups, that's a massive side issue. Yes we have our people who behave badly both here and abroad, and they sometimes drag us down into the mire as how foreigners frame us as a nation. However, time and time again we have young men seeking asylum in this country who carry out criminal acts, surely the anger should be directed at them, firstly for what this poor child has suffered and then for abusing the laws of their host country and finally for besmirching their fellow Afghans (in this case) by their behaviour. I've mentioned this before, because I know the town well, Bournemouth has three asylum hotels, one right opposite a 6th form college and a disproportionate number of the men from those hotels are awaiting criminal trials. The latest case I read about, a woman dragged into woodland and raped by one of them on Bonfire night, she wasn't the first that suffered that fate since these hotels have been open another was raped in a public toilet. Not too far from me is a Sheraton hotel close to Gatwick housing asylum seekers. How many would such a hotel house I couldn't say, but two cases that have been in the news, both local and national, One Iraqi for stalking a young girl on to a train and then forcing himself on her asking for sex. Another grabbing women in intimate places. His defence when he went to court, he didn't know such behaviour wasn't socially acceptable here and he got a suspended sentence, the three women who were assaulted were gutted with the outcome. He didn't know grabbing a woman round the crotch area isn't acceptable, what lame load of spurious crap is that Should this not be reported, should those women just shrug it off and shut up about it, would you if it happened to your younger self, your daughter, your granddaughter ? There are cultural differences as to how "SOME" relate to women that is the problem, it's not to say all their fellow asylum seekers are going to behave in that way anymore than British football hooligans represent every football fan who goes abroad. Certain demographics are over represented in sexual assaults. I believe in Germany when they saw an upsurge in female assaults by asylum seekers they sought to educate the young man coming there in how they should behave towards girls and women and to know in no uncertain terms that to carry out a sexual assault will automatically forfeit the right to stay here. Perhaps that approach should be adopted. I sincerely hope when these two young men, one looked positively baby faced, are deported without further ado of umpteen appeals when they come out of prison. In the meantime spare a thought for the young 15 year old who has developed extreme anxiety, rather than the two young men who just used her for their own gratification.

I have just read this, having been otherwise engaged today.

Well said (again) Terribull.

Might I suggest the posters who are calling out others and labelling them racist or full of bile look at the facts and think how you might feel if this was your child or grandchild?
Or in fact you?
Read the facts.

Perhaps some posters don't have daughters or granddaughters, or indeed young sons, but even so, there seems to be a lack of empathy for the victims by some on here, which is quite shocking.

People seek refuge here for all kinds of reasons but if some go on to abuse the sanctuary offered here by committing heinous crimes, that should mean they should be deported back to their home country.
They may be few but even one is one too many.
We have enough home-grown criminals without giving sanctuary to more, not just these rapists but in so many areas of criminality.

Terribull....got it in a nutshell, A brilliant post it just shows their mentality when they think they should be allowed to stay here when they've served their sentence.

"The girl.......was "abducted" by Jahanzeb before being taken into a secluded. The Afghan teenager then rang his friend Niazal, telling him to "come quick" before the pair forced forced their victim to perform oral sex on them." DT 9.12.2025

Satisfied?

There is some interesting reporting going on, it is really difficult to see which publication it is in, but the two 17 year olds are referred to as boys and the 15 year old is referred to as a woman.

Quite! We can't just let people try and "smooth things over" by not mentioning the elephant in the room. Community "harmony" at the expense of women is not on - we are 50% of the community.

Wyllow3

I think I’ll leave the thread sinking in its own bile at this point.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with acknowledging that this is happening and should be discussed, just as any others.

Not to do so is unfair on the women and girls who are the victims.

Do you want another scenario like Rotherham?

TerriBull

Oreo

In some countries unprotected ( by men) girls, boys and women are chased and harried and sexually assaulted and worse and considered fair game.Yes, we are very lucky to be born in a civilised country here.

With that in mind, it's no good denying that there are problems pertaining to certain cultures, and then getting angry with the concerns of the general public when they voice worries they have over the spate of crimes against women and children that occur at the hands of those who come here to make a life for themselves. When unfortunately they bring with them a free and easy "help themselves" attitude to sexually assaulting women and girls. That's not to say that Arab men are a homogeneous mass that all behave appallingly towards women, I'm sure many don't. However, there have been examples of the modus operandi that have occurred in certain Arab countries that have been exported. Google Lara Logan , CNN reporter who was in Tahir Square for her channel around the time of the Arab Spring, who had so many sexual assaults committed against her at the hands of many, many men. This was an orchestrated mass attack where they surrounded her stripped her of her clothes and assaulted her in the most hideous ways. She was eventually pulled free by her colleagues, lucky to be alive. At the time when that was written about it seems that this was/is an established method men have used on their own women in Tahir Square specifically, almost punishing them for being out in public, so fair game, by literally surrounding them with an inner and outer circle, thus separating them and rendering them vulnerable to mass sexual assault. Then it happened in Cologne to hundreds of women, only revealed and admitted after much obfuscation by the powers that be. Because for the same reason some people have "lets not talk about it, for the greater good, and it might go away" but it doesn't and then mass discontent kicks in, because it simply isn't being dealt with effectively.

That sort of mass attack on women happened in Sweden too in recent years.

Horrifying.

Sago

Recently a man in Pakistani was charged with rape.

The judge ordered his sister to be raped by two men as his punishment.

This is Islam and Sharia law, zero respect for women.

I was horrified when I read that article myself. His sister is nothing to do with him - they just happen to have the same parents.

Transposing into what I would do if that sort of situation happened to me in our country - and my former brother would no longer be alive.....I'd probably have a noticeable amount less money in my bank account....but boy would I ever have had him punished for affecting my life like that! Followed by wondering how to punish our parents...

Oreo

In some countries unprotected ( by men) girls, boys and women are chased and harried and sexually assaulted and worse and considered fair game.Yes, we are very lucky to be born in a civilised country here.

With that in mind, it's no good denying that there are problems pertaining to certain cultures, and then getting angry with the concerns of the general public when they voice worries they have over the spate of crimes against women and children that occur at the hands of those who come here to make a life for themselves. When unfortunately they bring with them a free and easy "help themselves" attitude to sexually assaulting women and girls. That's not to say that Arab men are a homogeneous mass that all behave appallingly towards women, I'm sure many don't. However, there have been examples of the modus operandi that have occurred in certain Arab countries that have been exported. Google Lara Logan , CNN reporter who was in Tahir Square for her channel around the time of the Arab Spring, who had so many sexual assaults committed against her at the hands of many, many men. This was an orchestrated mass attack where they surrounded her stripped her of her clothes and assaulted her in the most hideous ways. She was eventually pulled free by her colleagues, lucky to be alive. At the time when that was written about it seems that this was/is an established method men have used on their own women in Tahir Square specifically, almost punishing them for being out in public, so fair game, by literally surrounding them with an inner and outer circle, thus separating them and rendering them vulnerable to mass sexual assault. Then it happened in Cologne to hundreds of women, only revealed and admitted after much obfuscation by the powers that be. Because for the same reason some people have "lets not talk about it, for the greater good, and it might go away" but it doesn't and then mass discontent kicks in, because it simply isn't being dealt with effectively.