Mass shooting by suspected Islamist extremists at Bondi Beach

There is a very strong link to Islamic extremism

If Ahmed is anything to go by also Islamic courage.

theworriedwell

If Ahmed is anything to go by also Islamic courage.

There are brave men and women of every race and religion in the world who step up when needed.

Islamic extremism is a curse, and seems to be growing.

There are also evil men and women in every race and religion. If we acknowledge one surely we should acknowledge the other?

Absolutely. Some situations bring out the very worst or the very best. The sad thing is that now in the West politics is , well it seems to me, more extreme, and this fosters reprisals then reprisals back… and innocents get drawn in.

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I can't believe that anyone doesn't have compassion for those involved.

There has been a lot of senseless killing by extreme groups over the years and it keeps happening.

Wyllow3

There are politics and cultural factors and reasons surrounding anything like this, but, in the end,

no, there are no excuses

however, in order to try and stop it happening, we cannot ignore those reasons.

Please expand upon this Wyllow.

I am struggling to understand any "reason" as to why a group of Jewish people peacefully celebrating a significant festival deserved to be murdered.

Me too.

I struggle to understand, just try, try and work out the political or - sometimes - sick individual - forces that lead to these terrible mass killings.

There is really no more to say except that being political never, ever, rules out compassion. It's the force that impels us to understand and act.

I understand perfectly, they are nazis. We have been shouting far right in the wrong direction.

Wyllow, there are politics and cultural factors and reasons surrounding anything like this but in the end , no there are no excuses. However in order to try and stop it happening we cannot ignore those reasons

If I’m misunderstanding, please tell me but, I read your comment as implying that the actions of the Isreali government in Gaza is a ‘reason’ for the terrorist murders in Manchester, and in Sydney.

So often we see the conflation of the actions of this Israeli government as somehow justifying attacks on Jewish people in any part of the world.

Many Jewish people no longer feel safe in the UK.

Galaxy

I understand perfectly, they are nazis. We have been shouting far right in the wrong direction.

Who are nazis Galaxy

Iam64

Wyllow, there are politics and cultural factors and reasons surrounding anything like this but in the end , no there are no excuses. However in order to try and stop it happening we cannot ignore those reasons

If I’m misunderstanding, please tell me but, I read your comment as implying that the actions of the Isreali government in Gaza is a ‘reason’ for the terrorist murders in Manchester, and in Sydney.

So often we see the conflation of the actions of this Israeli government as somehow justifying attacks on Jewish people in any part of the world.

Many Jewish people no longer feel safe in the UK.

It's one of many factors, not "the" factor" as part of a very very complex history indeed: but I felt it could hardly be ignored, Iam: there has been a general reported rise in both Anti-Semisitm and Islamaphobia since the war in Gaza begun.

I want both groups to feel as safe as possible.

I sometimes wonder if people who bander around the word Nazi and facist so glibly actually understand what these words mean! Perhaps having a look at some old film of Germany, or Italy both between and during the two wars would help people to understand that actually the most extreme behaviour of right or left in any country in the West certainly does not fit either of these evil descriptions.

They are systematically murdering Jews.
I actually agree that far right is generally thrown around in a ridiculous fashion.

You don’t have a monopoly in wanting ‘both groups’ to feel safe. I suspect all of us want all communities to feel safe. I’m well aware of the history of the area and of the extent of anti semitism since time began. It never goes away. There are parallels with Germany in the 1930’s

Islamic terrorists were responsible for the killings at Heaton Park Synagogue and in Sydney. These were murders of innocent people attempting to celebrate their faith

October 7th was the most terrible warning, and those who chanted globalise the intifada have partly led to this. Those chanting haven't the first clue what they are unleashing, or even worse maybe they do.

Jaberwok

I sometimes wonder if people who bander around the word Nazi and facist so glibly actually understand what these words mean! Perhaps having a look at some old film of Germany, or Italy both between and during the two wars would help people to understand that actually the most extreme behaviour of right or left in any country in the West certainly does not fit either of these evil descriptions.

Are you trying to say Jaberwok that nothing could be worse than the murders committed in Germany and Italy during WW2?
I hate to tell you this, but human history is littered with massacres, this is a sad, fascinating page en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:20th-century_massacres
This one too en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st-century_genocides
and many others like it. Humans find reasons to kill each other off, appeal to some righteous god or hating people for being different or conquest and domination by some regime or other. The British Empire created many situations which have ended in slavery, massacres and deprivation thoughout the 20th century.
It's desperately sad how impossible it seems to be for people to live peacefully, tolerating others.

Iam64

Wyllow, there are politics and cultural factors and reasons surrounding anything like this but in the end , no there are no excuses. However in order to try and stop it happening we cannot ignore those reasons

If I’m misunderstanding, please tell me but, I read your comment as implying that the actions of the Isreali government in Gaza is a ‘reason’ for the terrorist murders in Manchester, and in Sydney.

So often we see the conflation of the actions of this Israeli government as somehow justifying attacks on Jewish people in any part of the world.

Many Jewish people no longer feel safe in the UK.

I agree. I also read an implication that there were ‘reasons” that we needed to understand for an unprovoked attack upon Australian citizens.

As Australia has no involvement in the situation in Gaza, the only other “reason” that the attack victims were Jewish.

And this we must understand is reasonable ie there are reasons for this to have happened.

I was slightly heartened by hearing some phone in to Nicky Campbell this morning suggesting masked people chanting globalise the intifada might be a Bad Thing

You’re right to wonder whether these people understand what the want to unleash

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Official Statement by The Global Imams Council Regarding the Terrorist Attack on the Jewish Community at Bondi Beach, Sydney, During Hanukkah Celebrations. Well worth watching only 5 minutes long.

I have just read that a woman disrupted the Bondi Beach vigil with her anti-Israel comments.

After reading some of the threads on here over the past few years, I can't say I'm surprised. Sadly.

It shows a remarkable lack of intelligence to hijack a peaceful vigil in such a way that you know full well will cause trouble.

Some people just can't keep scratching when there's no itch.

It's a good result that the Australian police killed one of them and kept the other alive for questioning so that they can dig out any other of the vermin involved.
Commiserations to all involved.

The information from the Australian police so far is that they were driven by Islamist ideology, but were not part of any terrorist cell, they acted alone Labradora. I can’t ever remember a similar father/son dynamic in an attack, it must be unusual.

It is all unimaginable but there is something about the father son aspect of it that is particularly appalling.