Paul Doyle sentenced to 21+ years

Wyllow, this morning they had an interview with the man whose ear Doyle bit off in a drunken fracas. The man had attempted to break up a drunken fight . He was senior officer in a group of navy recruits with Doyle and another marine brought in to make up numbers

Iam64

The daily mail today had an article about what a tough time this former Royal Marine will have in prison. I’m sure former Royal Marines who passed training and served, rather than being booted out after hitting an officer, are sick of finding themselves seen as sharing history with this man

Bizarre even for the DM. What's their point?

If PTSD had played a part then his defence team would have used that to their advantage.

He did not see active service.
He was in the Royal Engineers briefly
When Doyle was in the Royal Engineers in 1989, he committed a military offence equated to common assault and was give seven days' detention, he said. The court heard in March the following year, aged 18, Doyle was fined for a minor offence of dishonesty

Then completed just 22 months of a 22 year service in the Royal Marines.

Paul Greaney KC, prosecuting, told Liverpool Crown Court Doyle enlisted in the Royal Marines at age 19, after a short period in the Royal Engineers. He signed up for 22 years' service but was discharged in January 1993, 22 months after enlisting.

Doyle did not see active service and was discharged on a basis that his services were no longer required, the court heard. Mr Greaney said Doyle had both civilian and service convictions.

Since then he appeared to have rehabilitated himself until this dreadful incident.

Iam64

keepingquiet

My sympathy is with his victims- they will certainly have PTSD and will probably never get over what happened to them. Also the hundreds of witnesses- it must have been terrible to be there.

Agree

I was irritated by the media attempting to spin Mr Doyle as a brave Royal Marine who had ptsd as a result of service. No, he was a man with a temper

My dad was a Royal Marine who saw very active service. Lovely gentle strong man.

Agree. He had extensive tests and nothing showed up as being responsible for his actions that day. If PTSD had played a part then his defence team would have used that to their advantage. Instead of describing him as an ex-Marine, thereby giving him a persona he doesn't have, perhaps they should use disgraced Marine or discredited Marine.

The daily mail today had an article about what a tough time this former Royal Marine will have in prison. I’m sure former Royal Marines who passed training and served, rather than being booted out after hitting an officer, are sick of finding themselves seen as sharing history with this man

Yes, being in the forces doesn't make you a madman.

keepingquiet

My sympathy is with his victims- they will certainly have PTSD and will probably never get over what happened to them. Also the hundreds of witnesses- it must have been terrible to be there.

Agree

I was irritated by the media attempting to spin Mr Doyle as a brave Royal Marine who had ptsd as a result of service. No, he was a man with a temper

My dad was a Royal Marine who saw very active service. Lovely gentle strong man.

I often think of the people that survive these sort of atrocities but with life changing injuries. .

My sympathy is with his victims- they will certainly have PTSD and will probably never get over what happened to them. Also the hundreds of witnesses- it must have been terrible to be there.

mumofmadboys

I feel for Paul Doyles family. Poor them

Maybe they will get on fine without him? He didn't sound like a nice man at all.

Iam64

The media repeatedly referred to him as an ex royal Marine, implying ptsd from active service accounted for his murderiys outrage

Spin- there was no evidence of PTSD

I feel for Paul Doyles family. Poor them

The media repeatedly referred to him as an ex royal Marine, implying ptsd from active service accounted for his murderiys outrage

Chocolatelovinggran

Allira, I did not suggest that I believed that he was suffering from PTSD.
I stated that I felt the media highlighting this was raising the possibility.

Ignore the media. They make things up.

I studied sociology and then psychology

Perhaps re-read Iam64's first post then Granatlast007?

Granatlast, i wasn’t having a dig at anybody. I don’t understand your post

I don’t understand the relevance of your references to the British Empire. Please don’t assume that I don’t have knowledge and understanding of racism and poverty.

FWIW my dad was a Roayal Marine during ww2. He was one of the many 19 year olds running up the beaches in the invasion of Sicily. He’d have been appalled by this man’s actions.

Granatlast007

Iam64

The Judge’s sentencing remarks should be enough for posters to accept justice has been done so far as this shocking crime is concerned.

He lost his temper, spectacularly. It was some years since he’d lost control in a public setting but his history confirmed he was capable of rage.

I wonder if some responses would be less needing to find mental health issues had he no been white British with a seemingly decent life

I don't know if that's a dig at me, I am 64 with an implied accusation of racism but I grew up in Brixton, South London, part of an Irish family alongside many, many black people. Brixton was then seen as a slum.
When I studied sociology and then psychology, I was stunned to discover that Irish people are on a par with black people in terms of mental health problems. Both peoples, come of course, from countries dominated by and meddled with by the British Empire and other conquering nations who drew lines on maps that had nothing to do with the people who lived in those areas.
Our prisons are full of people of all nationalities who have mental health problems. Those problems come partly from growing inequality and economic issues, growing up in poverty is damaging.
I'm not someone who condemns, I am a Quaker, we like to stop and consider first. Not normal these days I know.

I think you have completely misunderstood the point that Iam64was making.

You completely turned it on its head.

Allira, I did not suggest that I believed that he was suffering from PTSD.
I stated that I felt the media highlighting this was raising the possibility.

Iam64

The Judge’s sentencing remarks should be enough for posters to accept justice has been done so far as this shocking crime is concerned.

He lost his temper, spectacularly. It was some years since he’d lost control in a public setting but his history confirmed he was capable of rage.

I wonder if some responses would be less needing to find mental health issues had he no been white British with a seemingly decent life

I don't know if that's a dig at me, I am 64 with an implied accusation of racism but I grew up in Brixton, South London, part of an Irish family alongside many, many black people. Brixton was then seen as a slum.
When I studied sociology and then psychology, I was stunned to discover that Irish people are on a par with black people in terms of mental health problems. Both peoples, come of course, from countries dominated by and meddled with by the British Empire and other conquering nations who drew lines on maps that had nothing to do with the people who lived in those areas.
Our prisons are full of people of all nationalities who have mental health problems. Those problems come partly from growing inequality and economic issues, growing up in poverty is damaging.
I'm not someone who condemns, I am a Quaker, we like to stop and consider first. Not normal these days I know.

Chocolatelovinggran

Interesting point, Bodach. Curiously, I see this as the opposite signalling - "ex Marine, obviously likely to have seen terrible things, and potentially suffering from PTSD".

No.

He barely completed his training.

Bodach

I don't know if it was common to all media outlets, but I became increasingly annoyed that every single time the BBC mentioned this man, it was "Paul Doyle, the former Royal Marine". For pity's sake - it's more than 30 years since he had been kicked out of the Marines after less than 2 years service, including his training. Were they trying to insinuate that this sort of behaviour was typical of a Marine, or that it was a result of his service? Why didn't they refer to him simply by his name, or "..the IT Systems Engineer"? After all, he had spent many more years doing that than he had being a Marine. Lazy journalism to assume 'ex Armed Forces = psychopathic thug'.

I agree.

He was kicked out of the Marines for violent behaviour for which he received a prison sentence.

The Royal Marines are tough but disciplined and he could not control his behaviour.

Liverpool Parade attacker Paul Doyle was once jailed for biting off the ear of a sailor during a drunken brawl.
The former Royal Marine has a number of military and civilian criminal convictions from the early 1990s, including a sickening assault which saw him handed an immediate custodial sentence.
He was kicked out of the Marines after just 22 months, being told “Services No Longer Required”.
Details of the ear biting incident, which happened in July 1993, were read out at Liverpool crown court this morning as Doyle was being sentenced for his actions at the Liverpool victory parade.

Lancs Live
16th December 2025

Interesting point, Bodach. Curiously, I see this as the opposite signalling - "ex Marine, obviously likely to have seen terrible things, and potentially suffering from PTSD".

Bodach

I don't know if it was common to all media outlets, but I became increasingly annoyed that every single time the BBC mentioned this man, it was "Paul Doyle, the former Royal Marine". For pity's sake - it's more than 30 years since he had been kicked out of the Marines after less than 2 years service, including his training. Were they trying to insinuate that this sort of behaviour was typical of a Marine, or that it was a result of his service? Why didn't they refer to him simply by his name, or "..the IT Systems Engineer"? After all, he had spent many more years doing that than he had being a Marine. Lazy journalism to assume 'ex Armed Forces = psychopathic thug'.

Good point.

I don't know if it was common to all media outlets, but I became increasingly annoyed that every single time the BBC mentioned this man, it was "Paul Doyle, the former Royal Marine". For pity's sake - it's more than 30 years since he had been kicked out of the Marines after less than 2 years service, including his training. Were they trying to insinuate that this sort of behaviour was typical of a Marine, or that it was a result of his service? Why didn't they refer to him simply by his name, or "..the IT Systems Engineer"? After all, he had spent many more years doing that than he had being a Marine. Lazy journalism to assume 'ex Armed Forces = psychopathic thug'.

welbeck

He was seen to be driving in an aggressive and dangerous manner from his home in the suburbs not just when he reached the city centre crowds.

Yes, that's what I read too- he went through a couple of red lights and was speeding. I am struggling to figure out why, if he was such a great guy, as some claim, that his behaviour became so extreme?
It couldn't have come from nowhere.
It just seems such a terrible thing to do just for the sake of giving someone a lift?
Maybe his temper was so bad he could have gone on to do something equally revolting either at home or nearby?
I'm really just scratting around for explanations when there aren't any...