British Indians still aborting baby girls in UK

How would a termination at 8 or 9 months work? Is the baby killed first or delivered alive and left to die. I don't know how either could happen.

It's not unusual for women to spot or have a light bleed in the early weeks of pregnancy and not realise that they are pregnant especially if they have had irregular periods in the past. When I was pregnant with my daughter in my early 40's I thought the absence of a period was because I was perimenopausal not the result of a contraceptive failure. When my pregnancy was confirmed at 12 weeks I was both shocked and delighted but that's not the case for everyone.

I would prefer the cut off date for an abortion to be 8 weeks unless there’s a really good medical reason to extend the time.

Ok. Thankyou for answering. Obviously the current leguslation has cut off dates.

Galaxy

I am really fascinated if people actually think that no cut off is ok. That to me seems almost a reflex response to a perceived threat to all abortion rights.

I do believe that there should not be a cut off.

I personally find the idea of a late abortion upsetting, however I am not in those women’s shoes. I also know that research shows an incredibly tiny amount of abortions that are done that late.

Putting a cut off literally removes a woman’s choice. My personal view is “as early as possible, as late as necessary”

Agreed. I can’t imagine getting past the point where a baby is showing and you can feel it kick then wanting to terminate the pregnancy unless you really have to.

I’ve been lucky enough not to have had to contemplate abortion, but wouldn’t deny others the right to choose what is right for them, and we can’t know what is going on in others’ lives.

Yes I accept that Doodledog. I imagine few women are so late presenting

The trouble with cut-offs is that as medical knowledge improves, viability will get earlier and earlier, so women's right to choose will decrease proportionately.

There will always be people whose choices extend beyond our own boundaries, but if we believe in choice we have to accept that, I think.

I supported the woman’s right to choose campaign. I believe that as babies born at 24 weeks or earlier, can now be kept alive and well, the time limit is too late

If the statistics quoted so far are :-
- "3,124 abortions were carried out due to abnormalities in England and Wales in 2022. In the same year there were 251,000+ abortions in total." (I will add that in 2022, there were approximately 605,479 live births in England and Wales)

- and if "The "evidence" is based on an estimated 400 shortfall of female babies born over a five year period ending in 2021. In 2020 alone 60k babies were born to Asian minority group parents "

- then saying "If this . . . is happening. No matter what the percentage and it isn’t tiny and it’s only the ones known about." does inspire the answer "But we DON'T know about this, and given that medical information is private and that the parents are not likely to reveal publicly (in a country where they could be breaking the law) that they have killed their unborn daughter for the sole reason that she was a girl, it is a discussion that will not be settled purely by personal reactions.

We need more statistics, and more analysis of the figures - not an easy task to either find the figures or to analyse exactly what they mean. Pontification is easy. Understanding is harder. Changing embedded beliefs and attitudes is social engineering and is the hardest of all, and the most likely to backfire or to be unsuccessful. (such as the illegal consumption of alcohol by ex-pats in "dry" countries.)

To change cultural attitudes is more difficult and subtle than to merely enact legislation and to tell people authoritatively that "it isn't right". You have to change the reasons behind their attachment to a practice that is abhorrent in the parents' new host country and probably out-dated and no longer relevant even in the old country they came from.

Galaxy

I think it gets a bit muddy when you try to explore things like this, it did when labour introduced the last legislation on abortion. I don't actually agree with the statement for example that if you agree to a cut off at all you disagree with a womans right to choose.

A cut-off does limit choice — pretending otherwise muddies the discussion. But lots of rights are limited in law. The question isn’t “do women have a right to choose?”, it’s simply “where should the law draw the line, and why?”

Possibly in an inept way!

No I am trying to keep it open.

It came over that you were trying to shut the discussion down, maybe I misinterpreted.

I am really fascinated if people actually think that no cut off is ok. That to me seems almost a reflex response to a perceived threat to all abortion rights.

Yes that's what I am doing too

Appreciated, but others have their own opinions, which they were discussing, surely that is acceptable?

I think it gets a bit muddy when you try to explore things like this, it did when labour introduced the last legislation on abortion. I don't actually agree with the statement for example that if you agree to a cut off at all you disagree with a womans right to choose.

Which is what people are doing?

It is perfectly ok to discuss reasons for abortion which may concern us whilst still supporting a womans right to choose.

As far as I can see in the last figures available, 98% of abortions were carried out under "ground C" of the legal grounds available, i.e., " Continuation of pregnancy involves greater risk to the woman’s physical or mental health than termination (and under 24 weeks)"

This backs the view for bodily autonomy which British women of all ethnicities share. Who knows what reasoning was in the minds of any of those 98%?

And the article used as a basis for this thread is based on a gender imbalance of 400 live births over a five year period!

I just looked it up. 3,124 abortions were carried out due to abnormalities in England and Wales in 2022. In the same year there were 251,000+ abortions in total.

Maremia

Morris dancing gets its name from the Spanish word 'morisco', and the form may have been imported from the continent.
Good to see that we are happy to absorb other cultures into our own.
The participants used to be in 'blackface' for some reason, now lost to history.

Never heard of the Coconutters of Bacup?
Still alive and dancing.
They blacked up their faces for a totally different reason that had nothing to do with ethnicity.

Whitewavemark2

Most abortion carried out is for reasons that it is a foetus of any sex.

There is a lot of double standards going on in this thread.

I agree. Surely the headline should be changed when the inaccuracy of it has been shown.