This Trump New Years Meltdown Is The Worst Thing I’ve Ever Seen” | Barack Obama

Oreo

Well I agree Dickens and I want to add that it’s up to all of us on here not to post fake news/ interviews from SM sources.
This pours fuel on the fire and is a waste of everyone’s time.

It’s sometimes a genuine mistake.

AI does sometimes make it difficult to know what’s true and what isn’t, we can spend our time googling different sources, which most of us already do.

However, let’s not pretend “Fake News” is anything new, been round in some form since town cryers and WW propaganda.

It doesn’t make anyone simple or stupid if they occasionally believe something they see online and UTube has plenty of factual information among its content.

Grandmabatty

David, your language about people who disagree with your opinions is often disparaging and unpleasant. Two people out of all the posters on this thread agree with you. Hardly the success.

Let’s all agree we are all entitled to (politely) express our beliefs and views and respect each other.

Sorry David stating 95% of the posts on here are emotional, and understanding that the majority of us here are female is simply patronising, sexist and rude (in my humble opinion)

Well I agree Dickens and I want to add that it’s up to all of us on here not to post fake news/ interviews from SM sources.
This pours fuel on the fire and is a waste of everyone’s time.

Oreo

We don’t need food for thought on this, we need to get the thread back on track, in other words about news and politics and not talking about other posters.

... I did mention the subject matter as being the important issue here upthread a bit - referring to the worrying (well it is to me) proliferation of AI generated fake news, or faked-up interviews with prominent politicians and high-profile individuals.

Some of it is bloody obvious - but some more subtle, and I think in this 'volatile' climate, it's not only dangerous, but it also detracts from the issue at hand...

For me it's reached the stage where if I see a politician 'holding forth' in earnest... I treat the video with the same suspicion as I do with 'phone callers whose numbers I don't recognise - assume all are scammers.

What a state of affairs.

Oreo

We don’t need food for thought on this, we need to get the thread back on track, in other words about news and politics and not talking about other posters.

It's being discussed elsewhere

And I think it's important to pick up on a view when its suggested women don't "work" because we dont "go out to work" or its unpaid work. Has nothing reached various corners of the universe that house work and financial home management and the devoted care given to others by women and men too is work:

And as allira said, grouping all of us women as "the same" shows remarkable lack of insight when one reads so many threads over the years and the huge gaps in POV.

Oreo

We really do need the US tho it seems fashionable to constantly diss it.
In this case with Maduro, Trump isn’t any different to past Presidents who have removed Leaders in South America.

They were wrong just like Trump.

The sense of entitlement to playing Monopoly with sovereign nations is the same imperialist evil it has always been. This is what breeds terrorism, which civilians become the unfortunate victims of. Meanwhile, greedy corporations and their political puppets in the US reap the benefits of the poverty created from destabilizing other nations and snatching resources as they pollute and loot the lands of their victims. This is Iraq and the so-called WMDs all over again. Just like with Iraq, Europe and Australia will pretend to be outraged at the shameless US oil grab before wanting a piece of the pie as well, while branding themselves liberators of the natives. It’s all the same disgusting playbook.

Allira

^Sorry ladies a working day, you really don’t like being disagreed with do you^

Well, apart from obvious comment I could make, that really comes across as rather an odd comment, David49.

It makes all the female posters on Gransnet sound like an homogenous mass with just one viewpoint with which you disagree, whereas there are often debate, disagreements and many differing viewpoints on threads.

We a disparate group with just one thing in common

Nobody actually disagreed with David on this thread. We just took exception to being called 'suckers'. Perhaps he calls that 'disagreement'.

Sorry ladies a working day, you really don’t like being disagreed with do you

Well, apart from obvious comment I could make, that really comes across as rather an odd comment, David49.

It makes all the female posters on Gransnet sound like an homogenous mass with just one viewpoint with which you disagree, whereas there are often debate, disagreements and many differing viewpoints on threads.

We a disparate group with just one thing in common

Ok MaizieD but I hadn’t seen it.

We don’t need food for thought on this, we need to get the thread back on track, in other words about news and politics and not talking about other posters.

Now that I know it will show up (perhaps I didn't press the right button) I will say that the interference by the US in other countries regimes has been commented on, but perhaps it was on another thread.

I pointed it out and so did at least one other person.

Oreo

Men are just as varied as women in their views but I find that men are more direct generally which I like.😃
Back to the subject matter of this thread… no poster has commented as yet on the fact that past Presidents have intervened in South American countries and removed Leaders just as has happened recently in Venezuela.They weren’t called crazy and dictators the way that Trump is. Am no fan of DT but there does seem to be a double standard here.🤔

Well, that's odd. I just responded to this post, quoting it and thought I'd posted my response but it hasn't shown up

David49

Sorry ladies a working day, you really don’t like being disagreed with do you, I don’t mind being called a mysoginist as long as you don’t mind being a misandrist.

A for Trump I don’t like his style of diplomacy, but I agree that removing Maduro was a good move, migration should be controlled but he should stop theatening Greenland.

Those who see him as an enemy on par with Putin are beyond the pale, Europe would as helpless as the headless chickens we are without the US.

Content warning:

This is light hearted.

Please, in this context, not "Ladies" as opposed to Being Important and Being at Work!!!!!

(We don't, of course, "work"... - I mean housework goodness me, no that's not Work - or caring for some very sick relatives, mopping bums and being responsible for the whole household economy.... or childcare to prop up family finances when AC are out at work

Clearly, us emotional types are making a "fuss about nothing" here......

Patronising

Thats my opinion and not intended to insult just to make some points, food for thought.

Men are just as varied as women in their views but I find that men are more direct generally which I like.😃
Back to the subject matter of this thread… no poster has commented as yet on the fact that past Presidents have intervened in South American countries and removed Leaders just as has happened recently in Venezuela.They weren’t called crazy and dictators the way that Trump is. Am no fan of DT but there does seem to be a double standard here.🤔

Wasn’t he old himself then Dickens?

Allira

nanna8

Oi - leave David49 alone. He makes some good comments and it is good to have a male on board !

I do think Gransnet needs more men aboard; a different perspective is always welcome.

However, not all men and women do differ widely in their opinions, it just perpetuates that old chestnut that women are from Venus, men are from Mars. It's lazy stereotyping.

My late partner used to ask me - after checking the day's headlines, especially if the news was dramatic...

... what do the grans think?

He had a certain respect for and interest in the 'elderly' viewpoint because, as he said, many had lived through an era of relative peace and prosperity, so had a reference point that the younger generation could only read about.

I suggested he join GN but English was not his native language and although he spoke it fluently, he sometimes struggled with grammar.

... and, as a side note, he generally preferred the company of women because he thought debate with them was more interesting and nuanced - and less likely to involve 'muscle-flexing'...

We really do need the US tho it seems fashionable to constantly diss it.
In this case with Maduro, Trump isn’t any different to past Presidents who have removed Leaders in South America.

Sorry ladies a working day, you really don’t like being disagreed with do you, I don’t mind being called a mysoginist as long as you don’t mind being a misandrist.

A for Trump I don’t like his style of diplomacy, but I agree that removing Maduro was a good move, migration should be controlled but he should stop theatening Greenland.

Those who see him as an enemy on par with Putin are beyond the pale, Europe would as helpless as the headless chickens we are without the US.

Bravo Allira

nanna8

Oi - leave David49 alone. He makes some good comments and it is good to have a male on board !

I do think Gransnet needs more men aboard; a different perspective is always welcome.

However, not all men and women do differ widely in their opinions, it just perpetuates that old chestnut that women are from Venus, men are from Mars. It's lazy stereotyping.

Apologies, PhilipGransnet (GNHQ)... I posted prior to reading your post.

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Dorrain

As an aside Obama isn't guilt free in regard to military ops.

He refused to step in and prevent Putin from invading Ukraine in 2014.

This was right in the middle of Obama's term and Ukraine is still paying with the unnecessary loss of
tens of thousands of civilians and military personnel.

www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/110331/documents/HMKP-116-JU00-20191211-SD994.pdf

I have a problem with this take for the simple reason that it illustrates why the UK and Europe will remain second-tier “world powers”. Looking for protection from an ocean away from threats on our own continent is what emboldened Putin in the first place. He is keenly aware we will always look to the US to “protect” us. It’s long past time that we accept that must look after ourselves. Russia, the US, and China are carving up this world for themselves. Neither Obama, nor any other US leader, is or was responsible for us.